Indians are characteristically fickle. I'm fairly confident in Modi returning to power, and being at greater freedom to deliver what he promised after he retains the LS and finally gets an RS majority circa 2019; but if he doesn't, then frankly the masses who elect Congress and its merry band of "secular" parties will get what they deserve, and India will permanently squander a historic opportunity.
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Indians are characteristically fickle. I'm fairly confident in Modi returning to power, and being at greater freedom to deliver what he promised after he retains the LS and finally gets an RS majority circa 2019; but if he doesn't, then frankly the masses who elect Congress and its merry band of "secular" parties will get what they deserve, and India will permanently squander a historic opportunity.
That's completely off target, Doc. He's being picked on by Subramaniam Swamy, who is as bitchy as they come, and full of a pent-up envy. Chidu is a Chettiar, hence as rich as they come, and Subs can't handle that. From all accounts, from anybody who is from TN and knows the general political topography, he's clean. Remember, I've worked for both the big Chettiar families.
Their family used to have the arrangement that Mrs. C handled all investments and finance, while Mr. C did politics. I think that more or less gives you the picture, except that the old-boy network in India that you and I and everybody and his uncle knows about is always a factor. Whether that is corruption or not, I leave it to you to judge; in my book, it isn't, although personally, I have kept away from doing business with close friends.
That is your opinion as an informed American with a blood tie to India.
And it is your right.
However, Indians will decide which way India will go. And for us it will not be an academic exercise or one of rebalancing our portfolio.
We will live our decision. Every day.
Cheers, Doc
I edited it pretty soon after; and simply because that thought didn't come to me when originally posting. And absolutely, if you want to play this game, my roots to India run far far deeper than yours ever will, in the context of history, 1300 years is nothing.
And no, I don't need to rail against anyone, I live in a wonderful country that's accepted me and I in turn contribute quite positively to it. Nonetheless, I will eternally be grateful for the opportunity it presented me, and when someone does me a favor, I know how to be thankful for it. I don't need lessons from anyone on being accepted anywhere, because when I had to put up with racism and anti-immigrant sentiment (far worse than anything the BJP or Sangh or RSS may have subjected you to) - I dealt with that too.
Congress had too many muslims to call it a hindu party. Muslims simply couldn't live under hindu rule and wanted out.
RSS didn't for till WW1. It stated only later and hence couldn't gain traction. Also, RSS did not campaign as it agreed to be subdued in favour of congress to have united opposition.
Who are you to describe hindutva when you don't claim any allegiance?
The demographic that makes up defence forums are even more in support of BJP. The hatred for Muslims were always in this upper demographic.
Anti India stance? Who gave you the rights to describe what is Indian? Who gave congress the right to describe what is dharma? Congress or anyone did not invent dharma.
Dharma is not based on what you agree or opine. Just like Persian of the past is not persian of the present, there is no point in speaking about what is Indian or not. There is no consistency. So, better to speak of principles rather than place of birth.
Because my Hindutva is dharma which is not made by you or me. It can't be based on opinions or whims. Actionable principles are different from agreements or disagreement.
You just spoke as if you were a representative of parsi community. Parsi community with population of 55000 also falls under the bawa. Even worse, many parsis are BJP supporters.
One does not become enemies because of place of birth. Enmity between children born in different hospitals is unheard of.
How sure are you that Feroze was not a muslim? Feroze's father was a muslim and mother a hindu. Since father's religion is adopted, Feroze was a muslim. So much for being parsi.
Also, you never adopted India. Hindus adopted you. You owe your existence to hindus. It will only be fair to ask you to leave for persia if you don't like the adopted home.
My point about him not being a mass leader and one who cannot speak Hindi still stands. Though it will be difficult for him to buck the now rooted general perception of massive corruption.
Cheers, Doc
Considering the mess that the Hindi-speakers have wreaked on the country, including the originally Gujarati Hindi speakers (Morarji Desai - who did you think?), anybody else is fine. Ditto ditto the mass leaders; don't forget that the masses are NOT homogeneous. Look at the masses Gandhi attracted, and look what sort of masses we have seen before the general elections. After those elections, the numbers at Chhappanincheshwar's meetings kept diminishing steadily; we see a phantom of the political dance-drama borne aloft by NRI gasbags who have no skin in the game.
When did I deny the depth of your roots?
I said you were a person of Indian origin (PIO) did I not?
However, Kalki Koechlin and me - we are INDIANS.
You my friend are not even close.
Cheers, Doc
Be that as it may Joe, save for a Deve Gowda type aberration, it is difficult to seriously imagine a non Hindi speaking Indian PM.
Am not debating the right or wrong of it. Just that it is what it is.
Cheers, Doc
When did I mention of Gaumata? Why do you think I should answer a question on a topic which I never mentioned?
LMFAO, so is Adnan Sami. It's a matter of living there for a couple of years (with an OIC or PIO card 5-7 years max). That's all. And don't backtrack now, I saw the wording of your comment when you first raised this issue.
Had warned AAP about ‘flirting’ with Khalistanis: Gul Panag
OTHER STATESHad warned AAP about ‘flirting’ with Khalistanis: Gul Panag
Staff ReporterNEW DELHI 25 FEBRUARY 2018 00:00 IST
UPDATED: 25 FEBRUARY 2018 03:57 IST
Actor and one-time Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) candidate and campaigner Gul Panag on Saturday said she had warned the party against associating with Khalistan separatists during the Punjab Assembly elections in 2017. Ms. Panag was replying to a tweet that alleged that the AAP was “clearly seen romanticising Khalistanis” when she came out against the
“flirtation”.Staff Reporter
Had warned AAP about ‘flirting’ with Khalistanis: Gul Panag
OTHER STATESHad warned AAP about ‘flirting’ with Khalistanis: Gul Panag
Staff ReporterNEW DELHI 25 FEBRUARY 2018 00:00 IST
UPDATED: 25 FEBRUARY 2018 03:57 IST
Actor and one-time Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) candidate and campaigner Gul Panag on Saturday said she had warned the party against associating with Khalistan separatists during the Punjab Assembly elections in 2017. Ms. Panag was replying to a tweet that alleged that the AAP was “clearly seen romanticising Khalistanis” when she came out against the
“flirtation”.Staff Reporter
Had warned AAP about ‘flirting’ with Khalistanis: Gul Panag
See you are not the first PIO I have debated with.
I do not deny the love you have for India. Or the closeness of your blood ties.
But personally, I believe that you have no stake in India. Personally.
Yes if you come back to live here, it would be different. Till then, you will remain a PIO. A second generation American.
And your posts here and elsewhere would be read accordingly. As they should be.
Cheers, Doc
Again you edited.
Adnan Sami was not born an Indian.
Though yes, today he IS Indian.
You my friend are still not.
Cheers, Doc
Sue me, if an idea comes to me after I post, I add it; if it's such a big problem, refresh a couple times before replying.
And what's your stake exactly? Because you never miss a damn chance to emphasize the fact that you have no blood relation to native Indians, nor do you miss a chance to emphasize your perceived historical superiority, as is visible on this thread as well. So tell me, who's more Indian, a PIO who considers himself one amongst the billion plus Indians and loves the country; or a descendant of refugees (who actively refused to mix with the local populace, forget that, you people don't even let others near your holy sites) who considers his hosts inferior and seems to constantly have one eye on Iran?
Don't drag other people like Kalki Koechlin.
Also, you have behaved extremely inconsistently by quoting Australia NRI/PIO and now claiming that NRI/PIO don't matter.
Again, it is not you who decide what can influence and what can't. Your legal definition of Indian hardly matters. The laws can be changed if it doesn't suit the needs. Wars were and will be the factor that determines what laws are to be made.
If you push to the edge, then your nightmares of hindu mobs may well be reality before the elections. If you are dreaming that election will be lost, you must keep dreaming. There may be a revolution instead of democracy.
Your Propaganda will hold no water in the face of real action.
Also, you have behaved extremely inconsistently by quoting Australia NRI/PIO and now claiming that NRI/PIO don't matter.
Again, it is not you who decide what can influence and what can't. Your legal definition of Indian hardly matters. The laws can be changed if it doesn't suit the needs. Wars were and will be the factor that determines what laws are to be made.
If you push to the edge, then your nightmares of hindu mobs may well be reality before the elections. If you are dreaming that election will be lost, you must keep dreaming. There may be a revolution instead of democracy.
Your Propaganda will hold no water in the face of real action.
I am more Indian.
Kalki Koechlin is more Indian.
Adnan Sami is more Indian.
Strike that.
There is not more or less about it.
All three of the above ARE Indian.
Cheers, Doc