Ukraine - Russia Conflict

randomradio

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Really, you want my opinion? On the suppression and control, by the govt on the indian media.
It won't be pretty.

Pick whatever you want from google


The opposite actually. It's just that with over 80% approval rating for the current dispensation, people are not interested in listening to media's lies. But there's plenty of anti-BJP news around.

We have state election counting going on today for 4 states and BJP is winning by a huge margin in 3 of them.


All those attacks from Western institutions on the Indian govt are packed with agenda. In fact, before BJP came to power, just like Trump, even he had to deal with fake news and was entirely reliant on social media.

But that's not the point. What my post was about is the fact that the Western population is for the first time dealing with foreign criticisms directly in English. They don't have to wait for translations to come in. So the reach is far faster and more widespread in the West 'cause pretty much everybody in the US and Europe understand English.
 

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The opposite actually.

All those attacks from Western institutions on the Indian govt are packed with agenda. In fact, before BJP came to power, just like Trump, even he had to deal with fake news and was entirely reliant on social media.
:ROFLMAO: Flat out refuses to accept facts, then compares Modi to Trump thinking it's a good debating stance.

Indian argument on Ukraine is basically, "we think you did us wrong several decades ago, so now we're doing you wrong even though we know it's wrong." China can't defend its stance on Russia because it actually tries to defend its stance, India doesn't try to defend their stance it just deflects and compares it to Bangladesh or some other ancient BS.

Perfect summation of the West. There are no better words to express them.
And yet it's always India that brings up 50 year-old gripes to excuse its present wrong-doings.
 
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The opposite actually. It's just that with over 80% approval rating for the current dispensation, people are not interested in listening to media's lies. But there's plenty of anti-BJP news around.

We have state election counting going on today for 4 states and BJP is winning by a huge margin in 3 of them.


All those attacks from Western institutions on the Indian govt are packed with agenda. In fact, before BJP came to power, just like Trump, even he had to deal with fake news and was entirely reliant on social media.

But that's not the point. What my post was about is the fact that the Western population is for the first time dealing with foreign criticisms directly in English. They don't have to wait for translations to come in. So the reach is far faster and more widespread in the West 'cause pretty much everybody in the US and Europe understand English.
A lot of people thought Hitler was a nice guy. With only germany's interests at heart. They voted him into power. It doesn't change the fact that Modi is running an authoritarian govt.


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BMD

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We have state election counting going on today for 4 states and BJP is winning by a huge margin in 3 of them.
Hindu Nationalist Party winning in a nation with a Hindu majority, shock horror. If you had a Muslim Nationalist Party it would probably win in a nation full of Muslims too. Having a majority isn't all it takes to make a true democracy.
 

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:ROFLMAO: Flat out refuses to accept facts, then compares Modi to Trump thinking it's a good debating stance.

It's a good one. Using the media to silence the Opposition is what fascists do, and both were victims of that.

Indian argument on Ukraine is basically, "we think you did us wrong several decades ago, so now we're doing you wrong even though we know it's wrong." China can't defend its stance on Russia because it actually tries to defend its stance, India doesn't try to defend their stance it just deflects and compares it to Bangladesh or some other ancient BS.

Not at all. Our stance is... "It's not our problem. Deal with it."

And yet it's always India that brings up 50 year-old gripes to excuse its present wrong-doings.

We don't. You are hung up on it. Guilt?
A lot of people thought Hitler was a nice guy. With only germany's interests at heart. They voted him into power. It doesn't change the fact that Modi is running an authoritarian govt.

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All you've done is post stuff written by the Far Left, his enemies basically. Smarter people would figure out what's happening around the world concerning the Left.
 
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randomradio

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Hindu Nationalist Party winning in a nation with a Hindu majority, shock horror. If you had a Muslim Nationalist Party it would probably win in a nation full of Muslims too. Having a majority isn't all it takes to make a true democracy.

Not with the current margins.

In three major states, it's currently +52, +42 and +38 seats. Basically landslide.

And no, it has little to do with religion, more to do with the economy. Neither religion nor foreign policy are major factors in Indian elections. Western media tries to push that narrative, but BJP winning elections has a lot to do with their performance, helped by the total failure of the Congress between 2009-14. BJP tried playing the nationalist card in 2004 and lost, paved the way for 10 years of Muslim-appeasing leftist Congress (mis)rule in a Hindu majority country.

We are at least a minimum of 10 years away from such things becoming a factor in India. People need to accumulate a certain level of wealth before they can think of happenings outside the household. That's $5000-6000 per capita nominal income for example. Or a national level HDI above 0.8. But today, as long as the ruling dispensation can provide macroeconomic stability and the poor have enough food and jobs, they will win elections.

And no, right wing and left wing are still quite a distance away from being part of the election ethos. So stuff that matters in the West is very different from what's important in India. It's actually why Western media fails to understand the dynamics of India, head-scratching being the norm. It's also why Western propaganda doesn't work in India, the audience for it is negligble. It's also why Western media directs propaganda against India within its own demographic in order to create a negative perception of India, as @Optimist has demonstrated in post 20912.
 

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Not with the current margins.

In three major states, it's currently +52, +42 and +38 seats. Basically landslide.

And no, it has little to do with religion, more to do with the economy. Neither religion nor foreign policy are major factors in Indian elections. Western media tries to push that narrative, but BJP winning elections has a lot to do with their performance, helped by the total failure of the Congress between 2009-14. BJP tried playing the nationalist card in 2004 and lost, paved the way for 10 years of Muslim-appeasing leftist Congress (mis)rule in a Hindu majority country.

We are at least a minimum of 10 years away from such things becoming a factor in India. People need to accumulate a certain level of wealth before they can think of happenings outside the household. That's $5000-6000 per capita nominal income for example. Or a national level HDI above 0.8. But today, as long as the ruling dispensation can provide macroeconomic stability and the poor have enough food and jobs, they will win elections.

And no, right wing and left wing are still quite a distance away from being part of the election ethos. So stuff that matters in the West is very different from what's important in India. It's actually why Western media fails to understand the dynamics of India, head-scratching being the norm. It's also why Western propaganda doesn't work in India, the audience for it is negligble. It's also why Western media directs propaganda against India within its own demographic in order to create a negative perception of India, as @Optimist has demonstrated in post 20912.
You deserve the negative portrayal.
 

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It's a good one. Using the media to silence the Opposition is what fascists do, and both were victims of that.
Trump is a criminal who lacks the diplomatic skills and tact necessary for leadership even leaving his criminality aside. As for Modi, he just asks the police to stand down when Hindus are on pogroms.
Not at all. Our stance is... "It's not our problem. Deal with it."
It's not our problem, we'll support the wrong-doer anyway and bitch about the past is India's stance.
We don't. You are hung up on it. Guilt?
You always do, the video in the previous post was resounding proof of that.


All you've done is post stuff written by the Far Left, his enemies basically. Smarter people would figure out what's happening around the world concerning the Left.
:ROFLMAO:
 

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A lot of people thought Hitler was a nice guy. With only germany's interests at heart. They voted him into power. It doesn't change the fact that Modi is running an authoritarian govt.

Narendra Modi's authoritarian neoliberalism

View attachment 31367
Senter for utvikling og miljø
https://www.sum.uio.no › blogg › jostein-jakobsen › n...



There is similarly little doubt that Modi is authoritarian. During his tenure as prime minister, India's civil society has been subjected to increasingly ...

The Authoritarian Roots of India's Democracy

View attachment 31371
Journal of Democracy
https://journalofdemocracy.org › India



Modi's reign has seen, and will see, its share of ostensibly “authoritarian” actions, and one may disagree with their intended social outcomes. ... We may have to ...

Who Can Stop Modi and His Authoritarian Vision for India?

View attachment 31370
Jacobin
https://jacobin.com › 2023/03 › narendra-modi-author...



28 Mar 2023 — Modi is the first prime minister never to have given a public press conference; he lets his ministers answer questions in Parliament, and always ...

India Under Modi Is Becoming a Brutal Authoritarian State

View attachment 31368
Haaretz
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24 Dec 2019 — Under this regime, India is no longer a liberal democracy but is holding on by the skin of its teeth to justify being considered even a nominal ...

Modi's Personality Cult Has Replaced India's Democracy

View attachment 31369
Foreign Policy
https://foreignpolicy.com › 2022/11/04 › modi-india-per...



4 Nov 2022 — Fourth, as Hindu majoritarianism increasingly takes hold in Indian politics and society, Modi is seen as the great redeemer of Hindus and ...

Modi's damaging dominance - Asialink

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Asialink
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11 Aug 2022 — As India prepares to mark 75 years of independence next week, Prime Minister Modi is running the country in an increasingly authoritarian style, ...

Modi's Anti-Politics Tirade Is Preparing the Ground for an ...

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24 Apr 2023 — More significantly, the prime minister suggested that senior bureaucrats must be vigilant against any tinkering – by a newly elected (state) ...

How the Modi government is undermining Indian democracy

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Dandc.eu
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🤣 so sad, ppl in west are dying bcos India is a authoritarian state.