Looks like un-exploded artillery. Just my guess.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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True that it was aided by the Zia regime, but the Afghans and Pukhtoons were the major proponent of personal AKs. The firearms industry of Darra Adam Khel is more than a century old.
I know, that's why I mentioned dismemberment of PA. As far as defanging is concerned, Pakistan knows that increasingly lucrative options are becoming available for the Indian Military, the kind which can encourage it to take (mis-)calculated risks. There's exactly where the doomsday (not literally) scenarios will come into play.
The ones left alive in the region shed the most tears, irrespective of race or boundaries.
I cannot emphasize hard enough how flawed belief that is. Despite the corruption in Pakistani Armed Forces, the will to actually fight a nuclear war has been there from the very beginning. You can observe that by certain events: establishment of SPD & NCA for robust C&C as soon as Pakistan had a considerable amount of devices, the early 2000s exercises conducted by SFCs in various terrains/weathers/time of day, rapid mobilization and launch exercises in the late aftermath of Mumbai, declaration of weapon systems beyond a certain diameter to be all-warhead-types capable, deployment of SCCSS (equivalent of US NCC) in the recent years...there are enough indicators for people who can perceive them. In retrospective, I'll point out to 2 things:
- Pakistani Military has considered nuclear war a likely possibility since the 1990s and has prepared for it beyond the need of deterrence.
- Pakistani Military has designed its strategic assets to be survivable since 2001 against a probable US/NATO extraction.
Exactly, sub-contraction and being the man behind the man behind the man, is the way India does it now. Most Indians believe that India never takes below-the-belt shots, but they shouldn't forget the history of Mukti Bahni and LTTE. Its just that India got better at doing it, probably by some lessons learned from the Middle East. It is very peculiar that TTP chose to take out 2x Saab-2000 AEWs instead of the jets parked nearby that bombed them day and night.
Sure, it helps to have some 'strategic' assets beyond enemy lines. Only time will tell if it will be wise move or not, considering the history.
Perhaps my words are getting lost in translation. Maybe someone from your own kin will help you understand:
Broadsword: Did air force use a secret bomb to strike Jaish camp at Balakot?
What is also interesting that the same Pakistani Army which supposedly re-painted the structure, didn't bother to cover the "holes" for 6 days. The planetlabs imagery was taken on 4th March.
But that's just the script!
In another news, Pakistan Navy has cordoned off a major part of Pakistan's EEZ for a week for exercises.
https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20190308SEC 068.txt
https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20190308SEC 068.txt
True that it was aided by the Zia regime, but the Afghans and Pukhtoons were the major proponent of personal AKs. The firearms industry of Darra Adam Khel is more than a century old.
I know, that's why I mentioned dismemberment of PA. As far as defanging is concerned, Pakistan knows that increasingly lucrative options are becoming available for the Indian Military, the kind which can encourage it to take (mis-)calculated risks. There's exactly where the doomsday (not literally) scenarios will come into play.
The ones left alive in the region shed the most tears, irrespective of race or boundaries.
I cannot emphasize hard enough how flawed belief that is. Despite the corruption in Pakistani Armed Forces, the will to actually fight a nuclear war has been there from the very beginning. You can observe that by certain events: establishment of SPD & NCA for robust C&C as soon as Pakistan had a considerable amount of devices, the early 2000s exercises conducted by SFCs in various terrains/weathers/time of day, rapid mobilization and launch exercises in the late aftermath of Mumbai, declaration of weapon systems beyond a certain diameter to be all-warhead-types capable, deployment of SCCSS (equivalent of US NCC) in the recent years...there are enough indicators for people who can perceive them. In retrospective, I'll point out to 2 things:
- Pakistani Military has considered nuclear war a likely possibility since the 1990s and has prepared for it beyond the need of deterrence.
- Pakistani Military has designed its strategic assets to be survivable since 2001 against a probable US/NATO extraction.
Exactly, sub-contraction and being the man behind the man behind the man, is the way India does it now. Most Indians believe that India never takes below-the-belt shots, but they shouldn't forget the history of Mukti Bahni and LTTE. Its just that India got better at doing it, probably by some lessons learned from the Middle East. It is very peculiar that TTP chose to take out 2x Saab-2000 AEWs instead of the jets parked nearby that bombed them day and night.
Sure, it helps to have some 'strategic' assets beyond enemy lines. Only time will tell if it will be wise move or not, considering the history.
Perhaps my words are getting lost in translation. Maybe someone from your own kin will help you understand:
Broadsword: Did air force use a secret bomb to strike Jaish camp at Balakot?
What is also interesting that the same Pakistani Army which supposedly re-painted the structure, didn't bother to cover the "holes" for 6 days. The planetlabs imagery was taken on 4th March.
But that's just the script!
Ridiculous reference. He was referring to the specific type of explosives device used
I will follow you to hell and haunt you there if you die without finishing a writeup on the Chinese front.I'm waiting for 19 months.
I got down to writing it about a month and a half back, and for the life of me, could not figure out what was the idea behind at the time. Still waiting for it to come back. There was certain thought process, but personal events overtook it and I got busy and missing in action from here.
Was to write something for Western Front too, but the present situation did us in. Had started the work on it.
But who bears the responsibility for letting these Afghans bearing arms go unchallenged within Pakistan. You do. Nobody else does. The first gun battles between the Pashtuns & the MQM in Karachi started just around the time the Afghan civil war was gaining traction - in the mid 80's. Whom do you blame for it?
The Mukti Bahini & the various Tiger groups in SL were armed by India. That didn't spill over into the local populace now were there clashes between armed groups local or foreign in India on a/c of arming such groups.
While the local arms industry in Darra Adam Khel and other parts of KPK ( including FATA) as well as other parts of Pakistan maybe a century old, these were cottage industries catering to local demand . It's when the authorities turned a blind eye to their booming trade during the initial Afghan civil war, that others saw the lucre, moved in and before you realized it - Voila! You had a small cottage industry transform itself into a medium sized multi million dollar trade in which every ethnicity partook of depending on their political outlook and pie of the Pakistani state. It's purely your negligence and short sighted ness that you have a thriving illicit arms industry still on.
Dismemberment of the state of Pakistan and the PA are two different things unless this a Freudian slip from your end. Frankly, the ones taking (mis-) calculated risks is the PA. If Pulwama didn't occur, we may still be having this discussion minus the irony. I really don't know why you guys think that the IA would be the ones miscalculatimg here where they have always been in a defensive / reactive role straining at the leash much to their chagrin and utter disgust of most of the members here.
The only ones left in & around ground Zero would be truly the unfortunate ones as the fortunate ones would have gone to their reward.
I hope a lot of members here are reading this with keen interest. Especially the veterans & the professionals. I've myself argued that if our end goals is seizing PoJ&K, it ought to commence with a total de fanging of Pakistan NWP, along with its FM, vectors, reactors, N weapons storage sites, etc either in tandem with the west or alone if we have real capabilities to mount such an attack.
As of now we know the N threshold of Pakistan isn't as low as they claim it is. We can only wonder how flexible / high is it.
However, there's a lot of doubt on the yield of your warheads. There's still strong doubts about whether its progressed in any manner beyond what the Chinese designs of the early 80's were. Ditto for the CM / BM vectors which most view as outdated Chinese technology. There's good reason to harbour such beliefs among a section of our establishment.
To come to your point about Pakistan preparing itself to fight a N war beyond the need of deterrence and having prepared for N extraction by the West, I'd conclude by writing that I don't doubt the former ( the same would hold true from our end) & you will definitely not survive the latter. It's just a question of the will to be exercised by India in sustaining the fallout of a few such devices going off across our land and the intent of the west in making it happen come what may. The day the resolve between these two entities manifests itself, Pakistan will have no place to hide. We seem to be approaching such a situation sooner rather than later.
There's a difference here. The NDS is an interested party. They aren't useful idiots or mercenaries for hire. They have much more of a vested interest in striking Pakistan given the havoc you've wrought in Afghanistan. In scale it's much much more compared to what you've been subjecting us to.Hence this isn't about us giving them money and painting a target. It's much more deeper than that and much more personal for the NDS. Finally, you've also provoked Iran by your recent shenanigans. The US is still hovering around with their drones intact. The next time there's a massive strike, I really don't know whom are you going to blame.
it's never a wise move but then a wise enemy is better than a foolish friend as the Chinese will soon find out and as we have found such wisdom displayed by the Chinese on our Eastern borders. To end with Afghanistan is to us what you are to the Chinese. While I'm not claiming Iron Brother status here, it's quite close. And by the looks of it, Iran isn't too far behind either.
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This is not the strike Ninda Turtle is referring to because these type of operations are going on in frequency.
Did we received this system from Israel? If yes, Pakistanis will have tough time..
We are going with all indigenous stuff instead. Don't need to import anymore.
I challenged him for a debate - he ran away.
for him everything ISPR is "substantiated, evidenced" claims
everything MEA India says is "unsubstantiated"
its not a rational debate if he doesnt want to even look at other claims and see it is possible that ISPR could be lying.
This is the tracking I got from Marine Radar App, can anyone tell me why those ships are not listening to Pak Navy NAVAREA?
because now even those ships have called pakistan's bluff??
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what time was the warning issues for? perhaps there is a lag in the maritime radar.
Timing:
12 UTC 9 March to 12 UTC 12th March for bigger area.
6 UTC 9 March to 6 UTC 16th March for smaller square.
Even if there was a lag it was in time range of exercise of Pakistan Navy.
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