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Indian Army bombed an ammunition depot of Pakistan army with heavy artillery near Chakothi of POK around 3PM of this afternoon.
Ammunition depot destroyed, heavy Casualties on Pakistan side.
This confirmed ? Its almost like the army is picking targets one by one and raining fire. Wasn't there reports of another Pakistani border post destroyed a few days back ?
 
I agree with most of what's said in the specific post. My points so far have been in particular regard to the Balakot strike, based on available evidence. Regrading Chakothi & Muzaffarabad, no evidence available on the ground. Not even a peep from the locals. I wonder why (should have included this question in the initial post).

It depends on how obscure those targets were.

Regarding PAF's strike in IOK in response to IAF's strike in Pakistan proper, I believe that the nature of the PAF targets settled for this, i.e. non-military targets in proximity of military installations in response to non-military target in proximity of civilian installation.

So the only difference being whether the Indian strikes actually hit the targets or not.
 
I absolutely agree that Pakistan HAS to stop supporting these 'strategic assets', NOW. They only work for their interests aka money. There is no guarantee that they will not turn against Pakistan, as evident by the attack JeM carried out on Musharraf when he tried to uproot them.

Regarding Israel/Palestine situation, one has to visualize the scale of it if the same thing happens here. We have witnessed first-hand what a mass migration does to the host country. Where do you think the Kalashnikov culture came from?
Imagine the dismembered factions of PA as the aggressors you face today. Imagine the amount and skill of them, and their new recruits. Imagine them being armed with whatever was left over and not dismantled. Imagine living in the constant fear, everyday, that somewhere in a busy city, the Geiger counters will start going off.

I don't think the Kalashnikov culture was the result of the Afghan refugee influx following the Afghan civil war. It's more the doing of the Zia regime where training camps were established, guns freely distributed, local copy cat gunsmiths who set up shop were encouraged and opium dealing by the Mujahideen earlier and the Taliban later began to find patrons in the deep state of Pakistan.

I don't think anybody's attempting a full scale invasion of Pakistan. That's not on the cards. What's on the cards is possibly the defanging of Pakistan vis a vis it's NWP and breaking the umbilical cord between Pakistan & China namely the seizure of PoK. If this results in a prolonged civil war followed by the dismemberment of Pakistan, I don't see any one shedding tears except for Pakistani Punjabis. So, these doomsday scenarios that you're concocting will hardly hold true.

It will never be worth it. One way or the other, Pakistan will take the region down with it if provoked. For a long time, my signature elsewhere was:
"Ham tou doobay hain sanam,
Tum ko bhi lay doobain gaay"

Pakistan will definitely want it to be so but you also pointed out that behind the veneer of insanity that the deep state in Pakistan projects, there is a very sane calculative approach - an escalatory ladder precisely plotted with scope for de escalation built in at different stages & plenty of steps clearly de lineated before a doomsday scenario is enacted. There's a section of the establishment here which believes that the business interests of the Pakistan armed forces and the fact that they own a country is precisely what will prevent them from going nuclear come what may or at least if their power is guaranteed to remain unrivaled in a new dispensation whatever shape that new dispensation in a post bellum Pakistan takes.


Agreed. What the gullible public doesn't realizes, is that state-sponsored terrorism exists on both sides of the border. The difference is, Pakistan does it somewhat openly and in an amateur way, and India does it in a very concealed manner, always remaining in the shadows. In fact I expect some sort of TTP regrouping and some boarding tickets to Jannat being issued right now, as retaliation to Pulwama.
Pakistan has very limited options right now, and it must act.

Frankly, We very much doubt that Indian espionage agencies are in contact with the TTP or the Baloch Independence movement. In case of the former, it's quite likely that the establishment here has sub contracted the dirty work to the NDS. In case of the latter, it's Iran who's be fighting a dirty war. There's a good reason why I state this. A few years ago the Jamaat in Bangladesh apprached the Indian foreign office hoping to seek a dialogue and reach some kind of truce given the pummeling they were receiving along with the BNP from the AL .They were turned down. India will have no truck whatsoever with any Islamic revivalist organization. That explains our extreme reluctance to engage the Taliban.

Whether this position will continue indefinitely in the light of the kind of battering the Government in Afghanistan is facing, with not many expecting them to survive US withdrawal, is something time will tell. I personally believe, we should establish some sort of contact with all the malcontents within the state of Pakistan. That way we can build up our own narrative and control it else we'd be at the whims and fancies of other governments which isn't a good situation to be in.
 
Indian Army bombed an ammunition depot of Pakistan army with heavy artillery near Chakothi of POK around 3PM of this afternoon.
Ammunition depot destroyed, heavy Casualties on Pakistan side.
It appears that Indian Army is taking out very same targets in POK of Oak Army which they wanted to hit. PAF had tried to target a Brigade HQ, Batallion HQ, Fuel Dump and Ammo Depot. IA has already hit two other targets in the past and today they blew up an ammo depot.
 
Except that we have evidence that the said target was not hit. As I said before, I'm not going by anyone's claims here. Just irrefutable evidence.

Regarding PAF's strike, there is no evidence available yet. However, PA actually claimed that they hit 'non-military' targets. India claimed that they hit within the Indian military installation compounds, but didn't do any damage. Given that PAF utilized H-4 SOWs (evidence present), it is believable that PAF's strike was a shot across the bow...a very carefully calibrated proportional response, to what we believe IAF's strike was.


No, it is not conjecture, only speculation with the intention to justify your claim, on your part.

I know they do, the thing is IAF used a very specific size. Thats the basis of the entire argument.


The number is important because Pakistan has evidence of SPICE-2000 SOWs being employed for the strike. SPICE-2000 is compatible ONLY with 2000lbs munitions. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
And I didn't say IAF didn't have a 2000lbs (general purpose/penetration) munition. I asked, does IAF have a 2000lbs ANTI-PERSONNEL munition, the kind which leaves non-hardened structures intact?

The devil is always in the details.


Indeed. In the Indo-Pak context, I've observed that the truth is always somewhere in between the two lies. While India politicized and claimed brouhaha regarding the 2016 cross-border raids, Pakistan denied them in their entirety. Cross border raids were nothing new, what changed was, this time it was a synchronized raid at 5-6 locations, with the intent to cause military and non-military casualties.


Oohh, when is THIS movie being released? Is it possible to pre-order tickets?


I absolutely agree that Pakistan HAS to stop supporting these 'strategic assets', NOW. They only work for their interests aka money. There is no guarantee that they will not turn against Pakistan, as evident by the attack JeM carried out on Musharraf when he tried to uproot them.

Regarding Israel/Palestine situation, one has to visualize the scale of it if the same thing happens here. We have witnessed first-hand what a mass migration does to the host country. Where do you think the Kalashnikov culture came from?
Imagine the dismembered factions of PA as the aggressors you face today. Imagine the amount and skill of them, and their new recruits. Imagine them being armed with whatever was left over and not dismantled. Imagine living in the constant fear, everyday, that somewhere in a busy city, the Geiger counters will start going off.

It will never be worth it. One way or the other, Pakistan will take the region down with it if provoked. For a long time, my signature elsewhere was:
"Ham tou doobay hain sanam,
Tum ko bhi lay doobain gaay"



Agreed. What the gullible public doesn't realizes, is that state-sponsored terrorism exists on both sides of the border. The difference is, Pakistan does it somewhat openly and in an amateur way, and India does it in a very concealed manner, always remaining in the shadows. In fact I expect some sort of TTP regrouping and some boarding tickets to Jannat being issued right now, as retaliation to Pulwama.
Pakistan has very limited options right now, and it must act.

I don’t understand what you’re saying. So iaf deployed 2000 lb spice munitions that did a penetration attack.nwhat is the inconsistency you are referring to?
 
I don’t understand what you’re saying. So iaf deployed 2000 lb spice munitions that did a penetration attack.nwhat is the inconsistency you are referring to?
Forget it bro. You are trying to convince a man from a nation which stated that there were no Siurgical Strikes in 2016.
 
Man, I can not give a guarantee of me being alive tomorrow morning ... :D
You are too important for us. Be safe man.

Forget it bro. You are trying to convince a man from a nation which stated that there were no Siurgical Strikes in 2016.
I’m trying to see if there is a point he is making. Is there some inconsistency he is pointing to.

@vstol Jockey did you hear rajnath Singh’s statement yesterday?
 
It appears that Indian Army is taking out very same targets in POK of Oak Army which they wanted to hit. PAF had tried to target a Brigade HQ, Batallion HQ, Fuel Dump and Ammo Depot. IA has already hit two other targets in the past and today they blew up an ammo depot.
They're being royaly SCREW-ED...😁

Today elections have been announced and entire pakhanistan will pray that Modi government does not return and will help any and all political parties to defeat BJP as only that would save them as a nation and continue pestering us. Now it's upto general public to choose wisely...😐
 
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