The way our procurement is going on . We might just deserve an *censored* whooping in the next war. Even then we will be stupid enough to not learn the lessons.
Let me reiterate, there is no chance of a new heavy fighter from east or west. Airforce requirements did not change. PLAAF upgraded bases near LAC and we reciprocated. It's just childish to compare fighter numbers one to one especially on such terrain. In this decade LCA, AMCA, MRFA, and Mk2 will be inducted as per plans today.In the present situation and what has been the aftermath with the Chinese at LAC(We have essentially lost at the negotiating table again) we need everything we can get our hands on. Buying the su-35's shouldn't be a problem and the mig 29smts provided the Russians can sell it to us on time. But we will have to two things which will sound as make a wish but this is what we need to do.
Ask the Russians for license production of al-41's if possible otherwise no point in buying su-35's. Integrating the r-37 on all flankers.
Then ask the americans for f-15EX and f-18 superhornet/growler license production with license production of ge engines. That is ge-404, ge-414 and ge-F110-GE-132. And produce around 120 f-15EX and 200 super hornets. Along with license producing Rafale for MMRCA. Yes it sounds stupid and costly. But we have no other choice really. Tejas production is far too slow and half of our airforce is dated and we need to take on around 400 PAF aircrafts and around 600 PLAAF aircrafts. We have an air force of 600 aircrafts in entirety.
Yes it's a money bleed and that's what foerginers want from us but there's no point. Unless we don't start mass producing and give massive priority on the airforce. These things will continue.
They will only allow spending on local pool of companies. In a way that is a good thing, it should give a big kick to various small to mid level start ups to up their game all the time. The downside is it is very hard to maintain same level of investment into R&D without proper order amount. So a lot of these startups are probably already funded by the bigwigs like Adani L&T reliance etc. In due time those companies will buy these small companies out. Unless one of the big three get into aerospace/fighter jet industry properly, there won't be enough sustained push. There should be at least 1 competitor to HAL.From the beginning, Modi government haven't gone for any big purchase.
Biggest of all is 36 Rafales.
I don't think they would buy big deals even in next term.
I always agreed with the second part. And the first loss is entirely because of how badly the guys negotiated with the virus spreading bugs.) We lost to Chinese in LAC during 2019 standoffs. 2) we need to spend money to uprate our defence preparedness, and that too on foreign weapons as no indigenous solution is far away from reality.
We can honestly if we spend 100 billion dollars is chump change for us. Setting up a G2G deal with the Americans for license production is easy and Americans will happily comply. While the mrfa either goes to the Rafale or typhoon. At best 60 billion$ are spent for this but the way government is functioning at this speed. It will only get difficult. We need atleast 600 tejas Mk1a/b and 400 tejas mk2 alsoHow is it possible to finance 3 foreign fighter simultaneously made in India?
We are not able procure 1 MMRCA., whose cost may exceed 30 billion$ in say 10 years.
You cannot blame some random guy who holding power in a nation from another continent for your failure . Do bider forces chinese to invade you? No. Do Biden ask us to left the area to Chinese? No. Its your inability to hold against Chinese causes the disaster, you got 20+ years after kargil to build your military & airforce , you didn't do anything. 20+ years is sufficient timeframe to induct a rafale or equivalent type with reasonable squadron strength? Whome to blame for that? Its your mf(mc) politicians to blame.I always agreed with the second part. And the first loss is entirely because of how badly the guys negotiated with the virus spreading bugs.
Biden coming to power has been disastrous for us
We can honestly if we spend 100 billion dollars is chump change for us. Setting up a G2G deal with the Americans for license production is easy and Americans will happily comply. While the mrfa either goes to the Rafale or typhoon. At best 60 billion$ are spent for this but the way government is functioning at this speed. It will only get difficult. We need atleast 600 tejas Mk1a/b and 400 tejas mk2 also
MK1a, MK2,TEDBF/ORCA & AMCA mk1 arent gen 5 fighters, none of them are made its first flight also as on today. If you are thinking gen4/4+ are useles against Chinese gen 5 fight, then those fighters are also useless against china.By the the time we get all, Chinese would have proliferate d 5 th generation fighters ..
My opinion is we need to assess how many squads we need..
Supposing we need 40 squad s having a life of 40 years, then we need to make 1 squad every year to replace older ones.
We have started with Mk1A, will move on to Mk2 then TEDBF / ORCA then AMCA..
We should spend money where we aren't making efforts to do R&D..
Su 35, F18, F15, Rafale .. Minimum 10 + years to induct. Imagine the weapons we need to import for such big zoo..MK1a, MK2,TEDBF/ORCA & AMCA mk1 arent gen 5 fighters, none of them are made its first flight also as on today. If you are thinking gen4/4+ are useles against Chinese gen 5 fight, then those fighters are also useless against china.
So in that case why dont you go directly to MRFA? Atleast there wont be any delay in that option.
If we signed the deal today, the aircraft shoud start come out after 4-5 years, i dont know from where you get this 10 year figure.Su 35, F18, F15, Rafale .. Minimum 10 + years to induct. Imagine the weapons we need to import for such big zoo..
Better with Mk1A, Mk2, Tedbf & Amca .
Tedbf / orca is semi stealth will be in MRFA category or higher.. Maybe 5 - 10 years behind MRFA but it ll allow more benefit s which u may be knowing already.
MRFA is only needed until we reach production of TEDBF / ORCA.
Lastly IAF will place orders only one type of aircraft in mrfa tender. They are not going to make it as a zoo as you said. Even if they made their inventory lke a zoo, what's the problem in it? Look at what USAF is like?it's like a jumbo circus,yet it's the best airforce in this world. If you know what is your requirement & if you choose it wisely,things will be beneficial for you.Su 35, F18, F15, Rafale .. Minimum 10 + years to induct. Imagine the weapons we need to import for such big zoo..
Was that a serious comment?? Look at the budgets of USAF and IAF before talking.Lastly IAF will place orders only one type of aircraft in mrfa tender. They are not going to make it as a zoo as you said. Even if they made their inventory lke a zoo, what's the problem in it? Look at what USAF is like?it's like a jumbo circus,yet it's the best airforce in this world. If you know what is your requirement & if you choose it wisely,things will be beneficial for you.
In case of GtoG agreement the first payment may be far smaller. It's mainly a question of confidence.(Note: IAF capex is reserved like 70% for domestic Procurement. To start the deal 15% of the value of total amount will need to be paid upfront in foreign currency. A very big strain )
Not a lot of OEMs will be having a lot of confidence in MoD,India right now.In case of GtoG agreement the first payment may be far smaller. It's mainly a question of confidence.
We atleast need 50 squadrons of 4,4.5 and 5 gen fighters atleast to comfortably defend. 64 squadrons if we want power project. 40 squadrons is too small considering even the Pakistanis have 30+ squadrons.By the the time we get all, Chinese would have proliferate d 5 th generation fighters ..
My opinion is we need to assess how many squads we need..
Supposing we need 40 squad s having a life of 40 years, then we need to make 1 squad every year to replace older ones.
We have started with Mk1A, will move on to Mk2 then TEDBF / ORCA then AMCA..
We should spend money where we aren't making efforts to do R&D..
You are delusional. Everybody knows why there hasn't been no major induction and that's entirely blamed on that useless AK Anthony. Unnecessary blacklisting of private firms that have niche techs that could fulfil our requirements.You cannot blame some random guy who holding power in a nation from another continent for your failure . Do bider forces chinese to invade you? No. Do Biden ask us to left the area to Chinese? No. Its your inability to hold against Chinese causes the disaster, you got 20+ years after kargil to build your military & airforce , you didn't do anything. 20+ years is sufficient timeframe to induct a rafale or equivalent type with reasonable squadron strength? Whome to blame for that? Its your mf(mc) politicians to blame.
The government has full majority. If it was not ruled by literal illiterates they could crush the bs spreading media houses. Journalists are anyway no different to prostitutes.Not a lot of OEMs will be having a lot of confidence in MoD,India right now.
A G2G deal can be a solution, but is a difficult thing to actually execute given domestic politics will make life difficult for the signing government.
Ak antony played his own incompetence for 10 long years, & modi government is doing the same for last 8 years.You are delusional. Everybody knows why there hasn't been no major induction and that's entirely blamed on that useless AK Anthony. Unnecessary blacklisting of private firms that have niche techs that could fulfil our requirements.
The government has full majority. If it was not ruled by literal illiterates they could crush the bs spreading media houses. Journalists are anyway no different to prostitutes.