Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF

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No. The Rafale is the only fighter in French service that is equipped with an AESA radar.


Not just the radar, but the entire Rafale nose, including the OSF.
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However, this testbench configuration was never considered as a potential upgrade for the Mirage 2000 fleet. In fact, from what I heard, the added weight and length of this nose made the Mirage much harder to fly -- something acceptable for a test aircraft, but not in an operational one!

Added weight due to AESA? Someone in forums are saying that AESA gives weight advantages. In fact, that is one planned weight reduction item for MK1A?
 

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Added weight due to AESA? Someone in forums are saying that AESA gives weight advantages. In fact, that is one planned weight reduction item for MK1A?
Mk1 has 200kg dead weight in nose cone, removed with aesa.
Aesa has more power requirements + cooling requirements + weight
Even before UAE had offered Egypt a part of there Mirage 2000 fleet for free.

Morocco is doubtful.
Idr w article is saying offer is extended to India too..
 

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Mk1 has 200kg dead weight in nose cone, removed with aesa.
Aesa has more power requirements + cooling requirements + weight

Idr w article is saying offer is extended to India too..
Assuming id r w article is correct, does it make sense to IAF to purchase used m-2000s from UAE after 2027?
 

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Idr w article is saying offer is extended to India too..
Qatar too had reached out to India for their m2000. Considering that would have been a easier procurement with more airframe life left and easier and earlier to be delivered but we didn't go for it, seems we may not take up this one too.
As time goes by I am against procurement of either used Mig29 or M2000.

They have a OSD starting 2030 and that should happen. Mig29, M2000 and dariniii if they stay any longer they will become our Mig21, 23 and 27 of the 2040s.
 
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Mk1 has 200kg dead weight in nose cone, removed with aesa.
Aesa has more power requirements + cooling requirements + weight

Idr w article is saying offer is extended to India too..
**** and scores of YouTubers are scrappers, copying content of original posters without the due credits, and adding non-relevant content to give the look attenticity. Take their content with bucket load of salt.
 

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Qatar too had reached out to India for their m2000. Considering that would have been a easier procurement with more airframe life left and easier and earlier to be delivered but we didn't go for it, seems we may not take up this one too.
As time goes by I am against procurement of either used Mig29 or M2000.

They have a OSD starting 2030 and that should happen. Mig29, M2000 and dariniii if they stay any longer they will become our Mig21, 23 and 27 of the 2040s.
All forth generation aircrafts should be relegated to internal air policing roles from 2035 onwards, if that's not the planning in top echolens then I have no idea what is their procurement plans. Whether we accept it now or in 2030s but our primary enemy's airforce are going to operate 5th generation aircrafts right on our borders from that period.
 

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Added weight due to AESA? Someone in forums are saying that AESA gives weight advantages. In fact, that is one planned weight reduction item for MK1A?
Don't forget the OSF! If you replace a radar with an optronic suite plus a radar, it's gonna be heavier and larger. Even if the new radar is lighter than theh old.

Also technically it was a PESA radar back then.
 

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Assuming id r w article is correct, does it make sense to IAF to purchase used m-2000s from UAE after 2027?
Getting hands on atleast 50-60 mirage and 30-48 mig 29 airframes on top of the already ordered second hand aircrafts would fix our air craft fall. We should do something similar to Pakistan's ROSE programme and integrate SCALPS,Brimstone and KEPD 350 to the mirage fleet. They have atleast two decades of service and we don't have enough numbers to handle both the Chinese and Pakistanis. That's the reality we need to accept. We don't have the manufacturing capabilities of the Chinese to rapidly mass produce. Mk2 will only come in 2028 and it will take atleast 4-5 years to raise 2 squadrons of it optimistically. By that time Chinese will have 2000+ fleet of combat aircraft atleast.
 

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Getting hands on atleast 50-60 mirage and 30-48 mig 29 airframes on top of the already ordered second hand aircrafts would fix our air craft fall. We should do something similar to Pakistan's ROSE programme and integrate SCALPS,Brimstone and KEPD 350 to the mirage fleet. They have atleast two decades of service and we don't have enough numbers to handle both the Chinese and Pakistanis. That's the reality we need to accept. We don't have the manufacturing capabilities of the Chinese to rapidly mass produce. Mk2 will only come in 2028 and it will take atleast 4-5 years to raise 2 squadrons of it optimistically. By that time Chinese will have 2000+ fleet of combat aircraft atleast.

Only if they allow us to upgrade on our own.
Even then it will take money & time for us upgrade and certify.
Aesa + latest missiles are a must have ..
 

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Only if they allow us to upgrade on our own.
Even then it will take money & time for us upgrade and certify.
Aesa + latest missiles are a must have ..
Upgrade the Mirages which completed its life won't be a good decision, Also we will again push our pilot to use second-hand aircrafts...NO, Please stop playing with the life of our pilots. Wait for LCA MK2 (AUG 2022) hope we will complete it and give it to the private player ...or Buy a few new Rafale
 

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Upgrade the Mirages which completed its life won't be a good decision, Also we will again push our pilot to use second-hand aircrafts...NO, Please stop playing with the life of our pilots. Wait for LCA MK2 (AUG 2022) hope we will complete it and give it to the private player ...or Buy a few new Rafale
Yeah, if Tejas is equivalent to mirage 2005 , then we buy more Mk1A itself.

If MWF gets ready, much better.
 

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Le "Make-In India" pourrait coûter cher au MiG-29 Fulcrum... et au P-8I Poseidon. - avionslegendaires.net

As the article says, the Indian Air Force doesn't really want the mig-29 anymore? If true, what are the alternatives? more mki? Or Rafale? Can the DRAL facility in Mihan be expanded to a Rafale assembly line? I recently read an article about expanding the facility site. Does this extension have anything to do with Rafale?

DRAL plans to increase Falcon jets prod in new unit by Dec 2022 | Nagpur News - Times of India
 

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Le "Make-In India" pourrait coûter cher au MiG-29 Fulcrum... et au P-8I Poseidon. - avionslegendaires.net

As the article says, the Indian Air Force doesn't really want the mig-29 anymore? If true, what are the alternatives? more mki? Or Rafale? Can the DRAL facility in Mihan be expanded to a Rafale assembly line? I recently read an article about expanding the facility site. Does this extension have anything to do with Rafale?

DRAL plans to increase Falcon jets prod in new unit by Dec 2022 | Nagpur News - Times of India
It's reference to 21 Mig-29 UPG purchase from Russia. There is no confirmation. Also, no update on more rafales.
 
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Le "Make-In India" pourrait coûter cher au MiG-29 Fulcrum... et au P-8I Poseidon. - avionslegendaires.net

As the article says, the Indian Air Force doesn't really want the mig-29 anymore? If true, what are the alternatives? more mki? Or Rafale? Can the DRAL facility in Mihan be expanded to a Rafale assembly line? I recently read an article about expanding the facility site. Does this extension have anything to do with Rafale?

DRAL plans to increase Falcon jets prod in new unit by Dec 2022 | Nagpur News - Times of India

DRAL can make Rafales if Dassault decides to do it.
 
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Dassault secures 14-year Mirage 2000 maintenance deal for French air force


So France is planning to use Mirage 2000 till 2036 at least and here a few members are contemplating replacement of Mirage 2k after 2030.

Now wonder if French Air force is considering MLU with AESA radar and spectra EW.....