Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF

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A lot of the F-16A/B's capabilities have become irrelevant on later blocks due to the weight increase.
But the thrust of the F16 is also increasing. For the UAE's F16E/F, the maximum afterburner thrust should be 144KN (the data in my memory may not be accurate)
 

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But the thrust of the F16 is also increasing. For the UAE's F16E/F, the maximum afterburner thrust should be 144KN (the data in my memory may not be accurate)

It's not enough. While thrust is increasing, the internal fuel load is the same, so there's less time and opportunities to use afterburner.
 

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Some claim that the Jag is only able to take off because of the earth's rotundity…
It's a fact the IAF attests to .

Right now both the IAF & HAL are having a lot of fun experimenting with various technologies using the Jaguars as their guinea pig beginning right from the 1980's resulting in DARIN I , II & III upgrade programs .

Arguably both HAL & IAF learnt a lot thru the implementation of these programs & those learnings found their way into subsequent upgrades of other aircraft in the IAF inventory . If only the engine replacement plan had gone thru it'd still be a decent fighter bomber.
 
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Jaguar Airframes have a lot of Residual Life left

So Jaguar is absolutely necessary given the limited number of planes we have in IAF

With Stand off Munitions like SAAW and LRGB , Jaguar will play a big role in hitting the Pakistan Army Armour and Artillery units
 

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Jaguar Airframes have a lot of Residual Life left

So Jaguar is absolutely necessary given the limited number of planes we have in IAF

With Stand off Munitions like SAAW and LRGB , Jaguar will play a big role in hitting the Pakistan Army Armour and Artillery units
They'd come into play only once air dominance is established & the ground is relatively sanitised of ADS .

What you're suggesting was a role the Jaguars were meant to play up until the 2010s . Now it'd longer be used in the DSPU role & will be restricted to CAS for IBGs of the IA in tank battles.

Besides what residual life are you talking about ? IIRC , The last of Jaguars were delivered by HAL before 2002. It's already 2 decades old as of today. The older ones are at least 4 decades old if not older .
 
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Now it'd longer be used in the DSPU role & will be restricted to CAS for IBGs of the IA in tank battles

DPSA is Not possible without taking out Air Defences
SEAD and DEAD is for Sukhois and Rafales

In the Land war Against Pakistan, Indian And Pakistan Armies will fight high intensity battles of attrition

And there Jaguars and even HAWKS will drop the SAAW on their assets both in the front and the Rear

Destroying the Rear assets quickly is more important before Contact Battles begin
 

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DPSA is Not possible without taking out Air Defences
SEAD and DEAD is for Sukhois and Rafales

In the Land war Against Pakistan, Indian And Pakistan Armies will fight high intensity battles of attrition

And there Jaguars and even HAWKS will drop the SAAW on their assets both in the front and the Rear

Destroying the Rear assets quickly is more important before Contact Battles begin
They'd come into play only once air dominance is established & the ground is relatively sanitised of ADS
Kindly don't argue for the sake of argument.
 

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Video reports MiG-29 UPG is equipped with Zhuk AESA which isn't true IMO. Guess it's a PESA radar . In any case DRDO proposal to equip MiG-29s of IAF & IN with Uttam Mk-1 AESA radar is pending. Wonder what happened to that .
Not PESA even. The PESA version of Zhuk was never made operational.
 

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Not PESA even. The PESA version of Zhuk was never made operational.
Then it'd be the MMR but that apart, the other upgrades are impressive & very low key as well. There's not much publicity given to this or any discussions on this development even on Twitter. The EW suite worth ~ INR 1900 cr is assumed to be for the Tejas. An AESA radar would've been a cherry on the top. Let's hope it materializes soon.
 

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Then it'd be the MMR but that apart, the other upgrades are impressive & very low key as well. There's not much publicity given to this or any discussions on this development even on Twitter. The EW suite worth ~ INR 1900 cr is assumed to be for the Tejas. An AESA radar would've been a cherry on the top. Let's hope it materializes soon.


Video reports MiG-29 UPG is equipped with Zhuk AESA which isn't true IMO. Guess it's a PESA radar . In any case DRDO proposal to equip MiG-29s of IAF & IN with Uttam Mk-1 AESA radar is pending. Wonder what happened to that .

Nothing exists apart from click bait YouTube videos. There is no such proposals.
 

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Nothing exists apart from click bait YouTube videos. There is no such proposals.

Radar-The radar is the Zhuk M pulse doppler electronically scanned array radar. The radar has quicker processing power, can detect 5m2 objects from 120 km, and can track 10 targets with the capability to engage 4 targets at once in the air to air mode. The radar further provides coverage of +/-85 degrees in azimuth (sideway coverage) and +56/-40 degree in elevation and is also capable of detecting and tracking air to surface threats at remarkable distances. The MiG-29 UPG is also rumored to be equipped with AESA radar, especially since these rumors rose around the period when India signed a deal for an additional 21 MiG-29 UPGs, the real possibility of MiG-29 having AESA radar are quite debatable because of comparatively higher electrical consumption of AESA radars, however, it is still possible with GaN variants of Zhuk radar-like FGA-35 or with other lower electrical consumption radars.



Optical locating system- The Optical locating system is quite important for an aircraft, that’s because when aircraft try to detect their targets from Radar, its possible that the enemy gets alerted from electromagnetic radiation of radar through a Radar warning receiver and try to avoid that detection either through getting away from coverage area or by performing some maneuvers. The OLS here plays an important role as it doesn’t emit any electromagnetic radiation of their own and hence are quite difficult to detect, it can be really useful for stealth targets. The MiG-29 has an OLS-UEM system consisting of a 320×256-pixel infrared sensor and a 640×480-pixel TV camera achieving the infrared search and track (IRST) capability during air-to-air engagements. Besides, a laser rangefinder helps to know the distance from the target with high accuracy at ranges between 200 meters to 20 kilometers. The OLS-UEM can detect airborne targets at a distance of 15-55 km with coverage of +/-90 degrees in azimuth (sideways) and +60/-15 degrees in elevation.

Electronic Warfare Suite– The MiG-29 is the only aircraft in IAF after Dassault Rafale to have an internal EW Suite. The D-29 EW suite of Mig-29 UPG is made by DRDO’s Defence avionics research establishment lab, Israeli Elisra, and Italian Electronica. The D-29 is a fifth-generation AESA based EW suite consisting of a Radar warning receiver, electronic support measure, and other electronic countermeasures. The ELT 568 Jamming system onboard are defensive in nature and are used to jam SAM’s and AAM’s launched towards aircraft, they are said to be effective on frequencies between 6-18 GHz by using an active phased array, further the EW Suite can alert of any digital frequency between 1-18 GHz. Jamming works on a cross-eye principle where artificially fake targets are created for the enemy to engage in them, such type of jamming is quite difficult to overcome. The D-29 consists of a Unified Receiver Exciter Processor (UREP modified to suit the requirements of D-29), Solid State Transmit / Receive Unit (SSTRU) with Active Array Unit (AAU), and a liquid cooling system. In simple terms, the D-29 EW suite in MiG-29 UPG works as a primary self-protection jammer and increases situational awareness by multiple folds.

Article is 5 months old . Author is one Pratishtha Chaudhary writing for Air Power hosted by Air Marshal Anil Chopra .

Guess Air Marshal Anil Chopra is smoking strong stuff too .
 

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Article is 5 months old . Author is one Pratishtha Chaudhary writing for Air Power hosted by Air Marshal Anil Chopra .

Guess Air Marshal Anil Chopra is smoking strong stuff too .
Its just a glorified blog. From Zhuk M pulse doppler to 'rumored to be equipped with AESA radar' all in one para.

We know all about UPG upgrades and it's a decade-old program.

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Its just a glorified blog. We know all about UPG upgrades and it's a decade-old program. From Zhuk M pulse doppler to 'rumored to be equipped with AESA radar' all in one para.

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I guess that's the only upgrade that matters. The rest are insignificant . Hence that entire article is insignificant too . Therefore 24 karat gold is also impure by your standards , irrespective of how the Gold Council rules for even 24 k has impurities.
 
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I guess that's the only upgrade that matters. The rest are insignificant . Hence that entire article is insignificant too . Therefore 24 karat gold is also impure by your standards , irrespective of how the Gold Council rules for even 24 k has impurities.
Yes. AESA is the subject here. There is no sign of any such proposals other than videos made for the gullible. All Migs have received new upgrades already and considering the airframe life another upgrade makes no sense.
 
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