Per Baba Kalyani, the MGS would take 7 years to qualify thru current procurement cycle.
Indian Army draws lessons from Ukraine war, revises artillery requirements
The Indian Army expects to achieve its target of converting the entire artillery to medium 155 mm gun systems by 2042
Nothing good mentioned here. The target is 2042.
India to acquire more howitzers, rockets and missiles | India News - Times of India
India News: With the Ukraine war reinforcing that long-range, high-volume destructive firepower is a decisive factor, India wants to induct more howitzers, missil
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This article says RFP for ATAGS and MGS is being issued.
Well some systems are in sort of feasibility stage, we know the 300mm long range rockets project is active. Plus there are private projects, in previous call Solar group said Army is yet to give green signal for their suo moto proposal of 130km-250km arty system. So they are not in a hurry due to existing heavy stock. Most likely many existing ammo will be regrained, refurbed before the newly mentioned systems come anywhere close to being inducted.
But its good that they are moving ahead with plans, it should make the involved dcpp companies more serious, both domestic & export front.
But its good that they are moving ahead with plans, it should make the involved dcpp companies more serious, both domestic & export front.
That's the closest date to the realistic timeline on induction,ever announced by any military wing of India so far. Kudos to IA on that.Indian Army draws lessons from Ukraine war, revises artillery requirements
The Indian Army expects to achieve its target of converting the entire artillery to medium 155 mm gun systems by 2042www.thehindu.com
Nothing good mentioned here. The target is 2042.
There isn't much "existing" to begin with. Pakistan has a better artillery all around even today. When you add chinese build up in LAC, IA is thin on artillery systems in any given day.
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So many artillery news coming in.
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Army likely to complete inducting 114 Dhanush guns by 2026
The Army which has ordered 114 Dhanush artillery guns, derived from the Bofors guns, on order and has one regiment operational, is expecting to receive all the guns by 2026, according to defence sources. With focus on long range and augmented firepower, the Army is looking at vastly increasing...
Army looking for lighter, versatile Made in India artillery guns
The Indian Army is seeking lighter and more advanced towed artillery guns to replace the current DRDO-developed Advanced Towed Artillery Guns (ATAGS). The new Towed Gun System (TGS) is expected to be more versatile and have higher automation and accuracy. The Army has engaged in discussions with...
At this point in time I am convinced that the Indian Army's Arty dilemma is not a result of incompetence but sheer connivance by a nexus comprised of MoD, Military Brass, and Commission Agents.
No. It's a mix of budget and capability problems.
For example, ATAGS doesn't meet mountain requirements. The IA wants a lighter gun to navigate the terrain. Many of the bridges cannot handle its weight. It also needs to undergo an Mk1A/Mk2 transition to bring it on par with more modern Western guns. My guess is the IA will split the requirement between ATAGS and a second lighter gun.
K9 is going through, it's just a budget problem 'cause a lot of money was spent on emergency purchases to fill holes elsewhere. Now most of that emergency stuff has already been paid for. A signature is expected to happen soon, negotiations began in Feb.
MGS is awaiting prototypes from the private sector for testing. Both 105mm and 155mm. The 105mm ones are being upgraded. The 155mm will take until the end of the decade, minus an emergency purchase of 300 guns, which will follow the K9 purchase, but will take time to test and choose one.
Dhanush is a clusterfvuk, OFB screwed up, so new timetable. But more will be bought in the 52cal version. I won't be surprised if the pending order is also upgraded to 52cal.
Sharang is proceeding as usual. Another 500 are expected to be upgunned.
More M777s are on the anvil, it's a new extended range version with a 55cal barrel, in development.
Because of Bofors, K9, M777, Dhanush and Sharang, the IA is focusing much more on the technology side for the next round of procurements for the primary towed gun requirement and MGS. The idea is to get as much tech as possible right now so it remains relevant even 30 years down the line. New guns require all sorts of protection, anti-drone, anti-rocket, anti-missile etc alongside networking and electronic warfare. MGS in particular will need stealth as well.
With that said, our numbers are now pretty good. All 410 Bofors will be replaced by Dhanush Mk2, that takes us to about 414 guns. Sharang numbers could climb from 480 to 900-1000. M777 and M777ER could give us 145+300 guns. K9 will eventually climb to 300. ATAGS and MGS are expected at 300+ each. Of these only the M777 and K9 are foreign, without corruption to boot. That's practically 1350+ guns assured and 1100 more guns on the anvil, and only 1000 of the 2400+ guns are upgrades. So we are only unsure of around 1800 guns, towed and MGS. It's not bad at all. Especially if the remaining 1800 guns are expected to bring in new capabilities.
As expected they will do some small modifications in ATHOS to qualify under iddm.
Since adani is the baap of modi dont expect any scrutiny.
Since adani is the baap of modi dont expect any scrutiny.
Emergence of dhando lobby in defense sector is big threat, they will destroy our indigenous capability.
Motive is very clear they want ATHOS at any cost. No surprise it is tailor made RFI.
The gun in question was the Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS), built by Israeli firm Elbit, which was in the reckoning for a mega contract from the Indian Army for over a decade.
The RFI sent out in December had said that the weight of the gun system “be preferably less than 15 tons”. This clause is why the Israeli firm is back in the race for supplying the ATHOS to the Indian Army.
Given that the ATHOS weighs less than 15 tons while the ATAGS is well over 18 tons, industry sources see the new RFI as an opening for the Israeli weapon system.
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ATAGS has been killed by dalal army even before it's induction. Since AON will be issued under iddm (most probable) so adani has to do some modifications in order to claim it as indigenous. Big fraud is loading in front of us & no one will say anything.
The gun in question was the Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS), built by Israeli firm Elbit, which was in the reckoning for a mega contract from the Indian Army for over a decade.
The RFI sent out in December had said that the weight of the gun system “be preferably less than 15 tons”. This clause is why the Israeli firm is back in the race for supplying the ATHOS to the Indian Army.
Given that the ATHOS weighs less than 15 tons while the ATAGS is well over 18 tons, industry sources see the new RFI as an opening for the Israeli weapon system.
Not ATAGS, Vajra or Dhanush. A new gun will be the mainstay of Indian Artillery
On 197th Gunners' Day, a look at how the Indian Army’s artillery regiment is arming itself. The Army is looking at acquiring 400 TGS which can operate in all terrains.
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ATAGS has been killed by dalal army even before it's induction. Since AON will be issued under iddm (most probable) so adani has to do some modifications in order to claim it as indigenous. Big fraud is loading in front of us & no one will say anything.
Motive is very clear they want ATHOS at any cost. No surprise it is tailor made RFI.
The gun in question was the Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS), built by Israeli firm Elbit, which was in the reckoning for a mega contract from the Indian Army for over a decade.
The RFI sent out in December had said that the weight of the gun system “be preferably less than 15 tons”. This clause is why the Israeli firm is back in the race for supplying the ATHOS to the Indian Army.
Given that the ATHOS weighs less than 15 tons while the ATAGS is well over 18 tons, industry sources see the new RFI as an opening for the Israeli weapon system.
Not ATAGS, Vajra or Dhanush. A new gun will be the mainstay of Indian Artillery
On 197th Gunners' Day, a look at how the Indian Army’s artillery regiment is arming itself. The Army is looking at acquiring 400 TGS which can operate in all terrains.
ATAGS has been killed by dalal army even before it's induction. Since AON will be issued under iddm (most probable) so adani has to do some modifications in order to claim it as indigenous. Big fraud is loading in front of us & no one will say anything.
Motive is very clear they want ATHOS at any cost. No surprise it is tailor made RFI.
The gun in question was the Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS), built by Israeli firm Elbit, which was in the reckoning for a mega contract from the Indian Army for over a decade.
The RFI sent out in December had said that the weight of the gun system “be preferably less than 15 tons”. This clause is why the Israeli firm is back in the race for supplying the ATHOS to the Indian Army.
Given that the ATHOS weighs less than 15 tons while the ATAGS is well over 18 tons, industry sources see the new RFI as an opening for the Israeli weapon system.
Not ATAGS, Vajra or Dhanush. A new gun will be the mainstay of Indian Artillery
On 197th Gunners' Day, a look at how the Indian Army’s artillery regiment is arming itself. The Army is looking at acquiring 400 TGS which can operate in all terrains.
ATAGS has been killed by dalal army even before it's induction. Since AON will be issued under iddm (most probable) so adani has to do some modifications in order to claim it as indigenous. Big fraud is loading in front of us & no one will say anything.
Sadly, ATAGS has not been designed to fight against China and Pakistan. Out of a total border length of about 7400Km, ATAGS can only be used in 2500Km of terrain. And the IA needs an all-terrain gun because once Pakistan is defeated, the plains units will have to be reorganized for use in the mountains against China. We can't afford to have white elephants in the plains because most of the current lot of mountain units will be wiped out by then and will require replenishment.
Furthermore, ATHOS weighs only 13T versus 18T for ATAGS. Whereas the load-carrying capacity of bridges in the mountains, especially the ones facing China, is 15T, hence the requirement for <15T weight. It's been designed that way to prevent enemy armor from crossing over. And ATHOS is both more advanced and comes in at almost half the price of the ATAGS. Lifecycle costs are also much lower and maintenance is much, much easier.
Something else that I've mentioned before, ATAGS has nothing to do with the army. DRDO came up with it on its own and are trying to push it down the army's throat even though it's failed specific trials. It's the repeat of the Arjun saga all over again. Yeah, it's a good gun, but it can't travel to the battlefield. That's also why Arjun has been placed in areas where Pak offensives will be limited or non-existent, whereas any Indian offensives from the same area are unlikely to happen. It's also why Arjun's main support gun has insufficient protection.
So it's DRDO's fault for over-speccing the gun.
ATAGS will be more useful than Arjun though, it can be used in plains, hence the requirement for 15 regiments.
Otoh, ATAGS-MGS looks promising, it has been designed to specs. It weighs 28T versus the requirement of 30T. The only question is how automated it is. Hopefully they have improved it over the vanilla ATAGS. It requires a Level 3+ armored cabin too, 'cause bullets in the mountains travel further and faster than in the plains. But after the initial 300, the main requirement for 500-600 may come in via a new design. Both TATA and Kalyani are prepared to design a new system for this requirement, even if the remaining towed gun requirement of 1300 is imported.
The army is always right.
Hilarious to read some of the comments regarding weight of gun and capacity of bridges. Those same bridges regularly support more than 20 tonnes of loaded trucks. They are deemed fit to support Kalyani M4 (16 tonne + 2 tonne load), Whap (25 tonne+). What’s astonishing is that we have been developing hydropower plants in those regions where equipments weighing more than 50 tonnes have been ferried using the very same bridges.
Suddenly the bridges became unable to support just 18 tonnes of gun. But surprisingly they are still deemed fit to support 25-30 tonnes MGS.
Suddenly the bridges became unable to support just 18 tonnes of gun. But surprisingly they are still deemed fit to support 25-30 tonnes MGS.
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