Indian Air Force : Updates & Discussions

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I get what you are trying to say, my point was it needs better scrutiny to determine if they are actually Russians or someone else pretending to be Russians.

If they are actual Russians, I couldn't ever bother to spare an internet forum comment about them. Screw 'em. Buy technology from them in INR. End of story.

Out of 100 people, 10 will have mental issues, let alone difference of opinion.
Forget what's posted online..
We were friends with Russia for long.. unless Russian government does something we need not care about few gossips
 
Why should I give a *censored* about randomn russians LMAO. Do you think there arent French who dont like us? Americans? Europeans? Asians? Wake up. Nobody truly likes you, not even so called allies with US-europe or US-east asia. Its all a game of how much you can gain from a deal. If India is able to get benefits from a deal for the su57 then ok, I could not give less of a *censored* about what randomn russians or hell even putin thinks about Me personally as an individual.
Out of 100 people, 10 will have mental issues, let alone difference of opinion.
Forget what's posted online..
We were friends with Russia for long.. unless Russian government does something we need not care about few gossips
 
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#Future Projects:

•Under Procurement:

1. HTT-40 = 70

2. Tejas Mk1A = 180

3. Sudarshan AA Guns = 244

4. C-295MW = 40

5. Su-30MKI = 12

6. HAL LCH = 66

7. MQ-9B Predator = 08


•CCS Approval / Pre-contract signing:

1. Netra Mk-2 = 06


•Contract Negotiations:

1. QRSAM = 3 squadrons

2. Mid Air-Refueller = 06


•RFP:

1. MTA = 60

2. Rafale = 114


•AoN:

1. SCA Aircraft= 03

2. ISTAR = 03

3. Netra Mk-1A = 06

4. Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft = 04 squadrons

5. Additional S-400 = 05 squadrons

6. PGLRSAM = 05 squadrons


•RFI:

1. 360* AEW&C = 06

2. HAL LUH = 61

3. RSH Helicopters = 80

4. Trainer aircraft for Stage III (F) = 150
 

Excellent watch on Software and Avionics integration.

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Thanks for sharing. Agree with the ex-SDI lead that IAF can take a page out of the IN on project management.

But disagree with him that imports are justified because because DRDO/HAL are not magically world class. Imagine where SDI would be if IAF ran to Russia every time to integrate a DRDO/Israeli weapon since Russia is a leader in mating weapons to platforms...

The really eye opening part is that Russia offered the whole source code for Su30 but Indian leadership thought it wise not to pursue that offer for an AF that will likely still be flying till the 2060s... :confused:
 
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But disagree with him that imports are justified because because DRDO/HAL are not magically world class.
He didn't say that. His point was simply that DRDO doesn't deliver and forces need equipment to fight. Its just delusional to wait for DRDO indefinitely.

I keep saying this, how many ships are equipped with towed array sonar?. They waited decades by not importing the it and two NSTL programs filed to deliver. We could have had a repeat of INS Khukri because of this sonar. Are you willing to pay such costs?
 
He didn't say that. His point was simply that DRDO doesn't deliver and forces need equipment to fight. Its just delusional to wait for DRDO indefinitely.

I keep saying this, how many ships are equipped with towed array sonar?. They waited decades by not importing the it and two NSTL programs filed to deliver. We could have had a repeat of INS Khukri because of this sonar. Are you willing to pay such costs?
Didn't India already procure some German towed array sonars -- these types of stopgaps are fine as long as they don't kill the local development... But more to the point I'm making, why isn't ALTAS inducted into a few ships so it can be iterated upon?

I am also curious how DRDO manages prioritization of requirements from the three service branches... are these serviced according to the weightage of the funding split across the services?
 
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Andy Burnham will hand Ukraine secret blueprints for Storm Shadow missiles on his first visit to the country as Prime Minister.

He has agreed to release classified information on British components so that Kyiv can manufacture the long-range weapon for use in its war against Russia.

The British-French missile relies on classified US targeting data to ensure it can hug terrain en route to the target.

It is not clear whether Washington would sign off and provide data for every strike Ukraine plans with domestically built Scalp-EG/Storm Shadow missiles.

 
Didn't India already procure some German towed array sonars -- these types of stopgaps are fine as long as they don't kill the local development... But more to the point I'm making, why isn't ALTAS inducted into a few ships so it can be iterated upon?

I am also curious how DRDO manages prioritization of requirements from the three service branches... are these serviced according to the weightage of the funding split across the services?
Wasn’t he making exactly that point? Services need equipment to fight; you cannot block sonar and torpedo imports based solely on DRDO’s assurances.

They waited for 20 years and ordered limited numbers ~5 years back. I dont think even latest frigates have those today.
 
What are in the biggest mistakes the Air Force has made? I want to know what you guys think.
For example, I saw one member say not considering acquiring F-16's more, and I kinda agree.
I want to hear what you guys think are the biggest mistakes IAF has made!
 
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What are in the biggest mistakes the Air Force has made? I want to know what you guys think.
For example, I saw one member say not considering acquiring F-16's more, and I kinda agree.
I want to hear what you guys think are the biggest mistakes IAF has made!

In my view , IAF and DRDO should have scrapped Tejas MK 1 ,long back and Designed the Tejas Around GE 414

We had announced GE 414 in October 2010 as the power plant for MK 2 , thereby Accepting the NEED for a larger MK 2

And till that time, Only the LSP 3 and LSP 4 were flying ie Prototypes of MK1

Our scientists should have had the Foresight that MK1 has limitations of Size , Space and Volume and Trying to Get Every Equipment Fitted inside will cause delays , which is what happened

F 16 , Mirage 2000 , J 10 are all having bigger engines than GE 404 and hence have more fuel and hard points

If MK 2 work had begun by 2010 then it would be operationally ready by Now ie in 2026

MK 2 is the definitive Multi Role Medium Weight Fighter that we need to replace the Mirage 2000 , Jaguar and MiG 29

MK 1A , Once it is finally ready will be limited by fuel and Number of Weapons that it can carry .

Of course MK1A is going to be very capable with an AESA radar and Astra missiles but All these delays have certainly affected IAF's Operational Preparedness
 
What are in the biggest mistakes the Air Force has made? I want to know what you guys think.
For example, I saw one member say not considering acquiring F-16's more, and I kinda agree.
I want to hear what you guys think are the biggest mistakes IAF has made!
If the IAF was able to achieve this with around 50 missiles/precision weapons, I don't think the IAF has done anything wrong in procuremnet planning. There is always scope for improvement, and planning is not everything—execution is also important.

🎯 Targets hit
  • 11 Pakistani airbases
  • 10–11 radar/air-defence sites
  • 9 terrorist camps
  • Around 11–12 aircraft/high-value aviation assets, including two AWACS/AEW&C aircraft
✈️ Reported airbase targets
Nur Khan/Chaklala, Bholari, Sargodha/Mushaf, Sukkur, Jacobabad/Shahbaz, Rafiqui, Rahim Yar Khan, Murid, Sialkot, Pasrur and Chunian.

📡 Reported radar/air-defence targets
Pasrur, Chunian, Arifwala, Lahore, Gujranwala, Sialkot and Sukkur, including reported damage to radar and air-defence infrastructure.

🚀 Air-defence kills
Ra'ad, Hatf-1, A-100, Fatah-1 and Fatah-2.

 
What are in the biggest mistakes the Air Force has made? I want to know what you guys think.
For example, I saw one member say not considering acquiring F-16's more, and I kinda agree.
I want to hear what you guys think are the biggest mistakes IAF has made!
Even with all the delays affecting LCA mk1a/2, the IAFs meandering acquisition process for MMRCA/MRFA which kicked off in 2001 is a key reason for the problems it faces today.

Neither did the IAF move to finalize the MKI upg which has been hanging since 2006.

Frankly, there was no way anyone could have predicted the current turn of events (geopolitical). But both these progs were firmly within AHQs control and timely completion could've saved the national exchequer billions of $ in inflation/lifecycle/opportunity costs.

If you've noticed, the only deals that did get signed in the last 20 or so years (except Rafale 1.0) were political deals like C-17, Apache and Chinook (quid pro quo for the civilian nuclear deal w/US).

Rafale 1.0 was at best a stop gap vs original req for 126 MMRCA. So not considering that.
 
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Rafale 1.0 was at best a stop gap vs original req for 126 MMRCA. So not considering that.

Rafale 1.0 was signed to know and understand where we stand Technologically vis a vis the SU 30 and what upgrades we need for Tejas Mk 2

What I read is that Tejas MK2 Sensor Fusion and Cockpit has been influenced by Rafale

Since our Enemy Targets are just Next Door , we will be relying heavily on Missiles

Even for China ,.If a conflict breaks out , I don't think IAF will undertake attacks on Tibetan Bases and Airfields using Manned Fighters
Because China has S 400 and HQ 16
 
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