Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan

[randomradio]

Remaining gap will be filled by LR and XR SAM. Which will be using learnings from our MRSAM project.

Yeah, we can drop the numbers of S-400s we need if our long range SAMs pan out. I'd definitely like to see indigenous solutions, but my post was about the benefit of long range SAMs in general, not the S-400 alone.

And no unlike the Russians use it , we won't be using it in a similar way. For them it's their primary, secondary and tertiary system.

Not the same for us.

That's now how they use it. The Russians use the S-300, S-350 and S-400 together. Along with Pantsir and Buk to protect them. It's a very complex IADS, and we are gonna follow suit.

 

[Hydra]

That is the single most least important part in our air defence. I don't know why everyone is so fixated on it.

We have 18 units of Spyder SAM. They proved their worth shooting down numerous UAVs.

What's it's engagement range?

 

[Hydra]

The opposite. The S-400 is very important for the sole reason that it won't allow recon aircraft to peak into an area defended by the SAM.

150-250Km is the sweet spot for recon aircraft. They have to travel further in to spy on ground units, 50-100Km. So you can imagine what the S-400 can do to these aircraft.

If we get enough S-400s, like the IAF wants 10-12 regiments, not just 5, then the entire airspace can be protected. Then the sole purpose of the other SAMs, like Akash, SPYDER and MRSAM, would be to protect the S-400, while the S-400 protects everything else.

For the anti rec problem,The best solution is having Mig-31.

 

[screambowl]

That is the single most least important part in our air defence. I don't know why everyone is so fixated on it.

Because of it's powerful radar, it can be used as netted system in India. Which means if an aircraft is flying near Sialkot Border it can be engaged from multiple ground locations within 100kms with pinpoint accuracy using multiple platforms.

 

[xxxxx]

Let's not make mountains out of molehills. Friendly fire & blue on blue is an acknowledged part of warfare.

What isn't acceptable is sweeping things under the carpet, not acknowledging your losses especially your martyrs killed in action waiting for nearly a year before releasing information on it. These are typical of police states. That's an abomination.

I found you talking to me
Always add that China is a police state

In fact, this is India's problem. Even if the coordination of helicopters and air defense forces within the Air Force is a problem, I suspect that they have not conducted relevant training at all. Just like Iraq in the Gulf War era, draw an area and the aircraft in the area. No matter friend or foe, shoot down all of them

 

[_Anonymous_]

I found you talking to me
Always add that China is a police state

All totalitarian states & theocracies are by their very nature Police states. That's how the free world describes them. And in all such States flow of information is always one way & completely controlled. Which is why you only get to see & hear what pleases the state & fits into their narrative. Casualties of war doesn't come under it which is why the army of the party never loses & the party of the army never publicly announces it.

In fact, this is India's problem. Even if the coordination of helicopters and air defense forces within the Air Force is a problem, I suspect that they have not conducted relevant training at all. Just like Iraq in the Gulf War era, draw an area and the aircraft in the area. No matter friend or foe, shoot down all of them

Well , all this is extremely good news from the CCP & PLA's perspective. Hopefully , they should & will try their luck soon . I mean what could be more heartening than to know your enemy being completely disorganized.

 

[xxxxx]

All totalitarian states & theocracies are by their very nature Police states. That's how the free world describes them. And in all such States flow of information is always one way & completely controlled. Which is why you only get to see & hear what pleases the state & fits into their narrative. Casualties of war doesn't come under it which is why the army of the party never loses & the party of the army never publicly announces it.

There is a saying that describes you very well,
A near-religious belief in democracy and Western values

Well , all this is extremely good news from the CCP & PLA's perspective. Hopefully , they should & will try their luck soon . I mean what could be more heartening than to know your enemy being completely disorganized.

Sometimes I really want to laugh, is India really ready for war? Crazy provocation with China reminds me of Ukraine and Russia now

 

[_Anonymous_]

There is a saying that describes you very well,
A near-religious belief in democracy and Western values.

It's more a deep suspicion of totalitarianism & police States than " love or a religious belief in democracy or western values "
eg : We've had famines & droughts too since independence. The number of deaths may not have exceeded a few hundreds leave aside 50-60 million or more. Had that been the case those ruling the country would have been skinned alive.

All that's not possible in a police state with a party which has an army & an army which has a party to control slaves.

Sometimes I really want to laugh, is India really ready for war? Crazy provocation with China reminds me of Ukraine and Russia now

The question to be asked is : Is China really ready for a war or an invasion of Taiwan? The way the succession plan of your Chairman & President Xi is unfolding it looks you'd be dragged into one sooner rather than later whether you're ready or not & whether you like it or not.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

In fact, what is even more terrifying is the accidental injury to MI17
You can see the level of chaos on the front lines in India
It's just a brief border conflict

Problems with IFF and secure communications. Both are now being worked upon. And solutions available are far beyond the capabilities of both neighbours to disrupt again.

 

[randomradio]

I found you talking to me
Always add that China is a police state

In fact, this is India's problem. Even if the coordination of helicopters and air defense forces within the Air Force is a problem, I suspect that they have not conducted relevant training at all. Just like Iraq in the Gulf War era, draw an area and the aircraft in the area. No matter friend or foe, shoot down all of them

The helicopter was flying under civilian peacetime rules, with its military IFF switched off, so it was not recognised and shot down. At the same time half of PAF was in the air and many of them were headed towards that SAM site, so you can understand the confusion the SAM operators had to deal with.

 

[Lolwa]

There is a saying that describes you very well,
A near-religious belief in democracy and Western values

Sometimes I really want to laugh, is India really ready for war? Crazy provocation with China reminds me of Ukraine and Russia now

The only difference is the Russians know how to fight a war. You guys don't.

 

[Innominate]

The only gullible people usually seem to be westerners who eat up whatever Semitic propaganda your masters want to push. I unironically trust indian media more than whatever shite western media spouts. Especially after they have been caught with their pants down in Canada.

Also one was enough for the amraam proof. We wanted to prove the amraam's were fired. And it was proved. And the guy is a journalist not a spokesperson of the government.

Please do WHOHEEE. I would love to see what all knew stories you will make up to prove your non-sensical point.
The government usually isn't open on sharing debris or even information for propaganda points unlike some other governments. Sad really how incompetent we are in terms of basic Propaganda forget about fabrication of lies your pimped out media does on the regular.

IAF SU-30 MKI shot down AIM-120 AMRAA missile fired by F-16 during PAFs failed raid

The moment PAFs build up was noticed by the radars additional aircraft were scrambled to tackle the PAF fighter jets.

zeenews.india.com

IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI Shot Down AIM-120 AMRAAM Fired By Pak F-16 During PAF's Failed Raid

In a big achievement, the Indian Air Force (IAF) on Tuesday revealed that Sukhoi Su-30 aircraft had spoofed a number of most advanced ...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[Innominate]

PAF J-10's and their pilots are going to have some advantage when facing IAF flankers in that PLAAF can train them how to fight against flankers. PAF J-10s can practice against J-16s, J-11s and SU-35s and get all sorts of experience same with their JF-17s. This could possibly be a big issue for IAF.

 

[_Anonymous_]

PAF J-10's and their pilots are going to have some advantage when facing IAF flankers in that PLAAF can train them how to fight against flankers. PAF J-10s can practice against J-16s, J-11s and SU-35s and get all sorts of experience same with their JF-17s. This could possibly be a big issue for IAF.

I suppose when the IAF conducts all those exercises with USAF , they actually move around San Diago checking trailers in parks or drink themselves silly on vodka in Russia or enjoy kosher food in Israel , gorge on shepherd's pie in UK , enjoy wine & cheese in France & sushi in Japan or explore Little India in Singapore. Do you want me to go on or do you get the drift ?

Why don't you focus on your only strength out here viz restrict your no good a rse to the thread on F-35 or provide the latest dope on your bumchum Gen Hostage's hot takes on the umm you know what it is .. instead of spreading yourself thin , meddling in matters beyond your intellect & pay grade ?

 

[xxxxx]

I suppose when the IAF conducts all those exercises with USAF , they actually move around San Diago checking trailers in parks or drink themselves silly on vodka in Russia or enjoy kosher food in Israel , gorge on shepherd's pie in UK , enjoy wine & cheese in France & sushi in Japan or explore Little India in Singapore. Do you want me to go on or do you get the drift ?

Why don't you focus on your only strength out here viz restrict your no good a rse to the thread on F-35 or provide the latest dope on your bumchum Gen Hostage's hot takes on the umm you know what it is .. instead of spreading yourself thin , meddling in matters beyond your intellect & pay grade ?

He is right, Pakistan uses J11BS all the year round to simulate SU30MKI, the performance of the two is similar
And India cannot gain experience against J10 through other countries

 

[_Anonymous_]

He is right, Pakistan uses J11BS all the year round to simulate SU30MKI, the performance of the two is similar
And India cannot gain experience against J10 through other countries

When we exercise with all the air forces around the world which I've named in my previous post & more whom any dummy in any forum across the world would agree as being premier air forces why exactly would we want to exercise with the J-10 or J-11 or the J-16 or J-20 or even miss exercising with them ?

Or is this your way of saying that the latter are the best fighters in operation today beating the rest of the competition by miles ?

Is critical thinking rare , not encouraged or banned from where you come ?

 

[xxxxx]

When we exercise with all the air forces around the world which I've named in my previous post & more whom any dummy in any forum across the world would agree as being premier air forces why exactly would we want to exercise with the J-10 or J-11 or the J-16 or J-20 or even miss exercising with them ?

Or is this your way of saying that the latter are the best fighters in operation today beating the rest of the competition by miles ?

Is critical thinking rare , not encouraged or banned from where you come ?

Different air force training modes, tactical concepts, and air combat methods are very different. It does not mean that you can effectively fight against the Chinese Air Force if you have exercise experience with the US Air Force.
What's more, the Chinese Air Force itself is the second largest tactical air force and the third largest strategic air force in the world.
You underestimate him too

 

[_Anonymous_]

Different air force training modes, tactical concepts, and air combat methods are very different. It does not mean that you can effectively fight against the Chinese Air Force if you have exercise experience with the US Air Force.

Going exclusively by your logic how many times has the PLAAF exercised with the IAF ? Or does it think it doesn't need to ? For that matter how many air forces with state of the art fighters besides the RuAF has the PLAAF exercised with ?

What's more, the Chinese Air Force itself is the second largest tactical air force and the third largest strategic air force in the world.
You underestimate him too

Since when does quantity = quality ?

 

[xxxxx]

Going exclusively by your logic how many times has the PLAAF exercised with the IAF ? Or does it think it doesn't need to ? For that matter how many air forces with state of the art fighters besides the RuAF has the PLAAF exercised with ?

It is a pity that the Chinese Air Force itself does not have enough foreign exchanges, but the Indian Air Force's SU30MKI and Mirage 2000 China have a relatively deep understanding

Since when does quantity = quality ?

What you said was true 30 years ago
, but now China has at least 1,000 fighter jets that have reached the Su-30 level
450 J10C and J16 at Rafale level
120 J20 can suppress all fighter jets of the Indian Air Force
This does not take into account the huge gap between the two militaries in the combat of the air force system

 

[_Anonymous_]

It is a pity that the Chinese Air Force itself does not have enough foreign exchanges, but the Indian Air Force's SU30MKI and Mirage 2000 China have a relatively deep understanding

What's the connection between foreign exchange, PLAAF & the IAF & "deep understanding of China?"

I understand you're typing in Mandarin & using Baidu translate which usually means lost in translation is more than normal . Kindly simplify your sarcasm such that Baidu translate gets it or at least conveys the essence of it.

What you said was true 30 years ago
, but now China has at least 1,000 fighter jets that have reached the Su-30 level
450 J10C and J16 at Rafale level

I thought you were maintaining all along the Rafale was pretty much all hype. Or were you describing the J-10 & J-16?

120 J20 can suppress all fighter jets of the Indian Air Force

Then you have nothing to worry about. Let us do all the worrying.

This does not take into account the huge gap between the two militaries in the combat of the air force system

I can tell you that while India may not win the war with China you can well expect that war whenever it comes & it will come, to be an extremely bloody & damaging affair to China such that the cutting edge of your forces will be effectively blunted if not destroyed rendering your forces weakened & demoralized for what the CCP has been building it up for namely Taiwan, the Diaoyu islands & the East & South China Sea.

It's this pyrrhic victory that the CCP fears most with India which is why it's never indulged in full scale war in the recent times across the LAC .

Unfortunately for you the days of those salami slicing tactics , which like all tactics come with a sell by date & which you've indulged in across the board are gone particularly on the LAC, after what happened there in 2020 , a fact you may be unaware of but your army of the party & party of the army isn't , which is why the next encounter will end up in a war.

This is precisely what the US & it's treaty allies want & towards that end will render whatever material & monetary support is needed short of actually joining war on the side of India.