Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan

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F16 is a beautiful plane and is quite potent with huge range of weapons and a very reliable American TURBOFAN engine.

Now look at J-10 similar layout (Israelis copied F16 but we're not allowed to make by US and Israel sold the design and blue prints of Lavi to China) but not looking good aesthetically and definitely not good aerodynamics. Weapons range not comparable to F16 and about Chinese copy of Russian engine, the less said the better.... 😊
The J10 is not very pretty, but aerodynamics require a wind tunnel, not the human eye,
In terms of weapons, you need to do some serious data rather than imagination
Although the lifespan of WS10 can't catch up with F110, but
The thrust curve has reached the level of the F110-132
As for the Lavi, if you have some basic understanding of aircraft, you know they are completely different things
 
Ha ha ha ha hi hi hi hu hu hu.... 😊😊😂😂🤣🤣

Keep on living and dreaming in your parallel Chinese universe.

All Chinese fighter jets are copy of Russian jets.
J7 copied from mig21, similarly,
J10- Lavi
J11-Su27
J16-Su30
J15-Su33

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Yes, China built its aviation industry by imitating Soviet fighter jets.
That's why so many people question the J20, after all, how can a country that can only make copies make fifth-generation fighter jets?
 
TVC is a problem, maybe SU35 can solve this problem,

Yes, someday when PAF actually starts training against it. For whatever reason, China has yet to allow PAF to train with Su-35. Perhaps Russian pressure.

The flight characteristics of the F16 and J10 are very different. The F16 has better continuous maneuverability and the J10 has better instantaneous maneuverability.
The flight characteristics of M2000 and J10 are similar, but the effect of canard + delta wing is stronger than that of pure delta wing of M2000, and the T/W of J10 is also higher than that of M2000, and some tactics are also very different.

Those minor differences won't matter.

For us, the Mig-29, M2000 and F-16 covers all training possibilities. And the Rafale beats all three by a significant margin anyway. So tactics that work against Rafale will work against the J-10.
 
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China will not launch offensive operations against India and Taiwan at the same time, we can transfer most of the J20s to the western front

That's unlikely to happen. West, Central and some of the South commands, it's possible. But jets in the North and East will have to stay where they are to counter the US.

China can't risk war with the US in Korea and Taiwan when they are already fighting a war with India.

If the situation is going so bad for China that they have to use jets from other commands against India, then the US can take this opportunity to liberate Taiwan and unify Korea.
 
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The purchase of J10 c happened because of the incapability of JF17 firing PL15 in full range may be due to the radar authorization limit. The J10 c does have 9 hardpoints whereas JF17 has 8... so not a bigger advantage. Yes, on the EW and ferry range J10 c does score more, and also the engine maintenance of Al31 is better than RD93.

The purchase of J10 C will stop the development of JF17 since the platform is now saturated and cannot be enhanced anymore...May be due to the design and engine limitation else the time period which India gave to Pakistan after the Rafale purchase Pakistan would have added all the required functionalities in JF17 with the help of china.
 
Those minor differences won't matter.

For us, the Mig-29, M2000 and F-16 covers all training possibilities. And the Rafale beats all three by a significant margin anyway. So tactics that work against Rafale will work against the J-10.
It's not the small differences, it's the battle that wins or loses
For example, when the Rafale fighter is fighting with the F16
If the F16 was not hit within the first two laps, the delta wing stall would have given the F16 victory.
At the same time, the performance of IR Mika is not as good as that of AIM9X and PL10, which is also a disadvantage in fighting.
 
That's unlikely to happen. West, Central and some of the South commands, it's possible. But jets in the North and East will have to stay where they are to counter the US.

China can't risk war with the US in Korea and Taiwan when they are already fighting a war with India.

If the situation is going so bad for China that they have to use jets from other commands against India, then the US can take this opportunity to liberate Taiwan and unify Korea.
First of all, what does it mean to liberate Taiwan? Force Taiwan to declare independence? But most people in Taiwan just want to maintain the status quo. China is Taiwan's largest source of trade surplus. Since 1949, China has fought 4 wars, and Taiwan has not declared independence.
Secondly, North Korea, don't forget, North Korea has nuclear weapons, is South Korea willing to pay the entire Seoul metropolitan area?
In general, the United States will not go to war with China for India, China only needs to maintain basic homeland defense operations
 
It's not the small differences, it's the battle that wins or loses
For example, when the Rafale fighter is fighting with the F16
If the F16 was not hit within the first two laps, the delta wing stall would have given the F16 victory.

Different fighters we have will give us different results. Otoh, PAF is stuck with just two types (J-10 and J-11) that don't give enough experience against Indian jets.

At the same time, the performance of IR Mika is not as good as that of AIM9X and PL10, which is also a disadvantage in fighting.

MICA IR is really, really good. It has superior performance compared to the AIM-9X, no doubt. PL-10 is also sueprior to AIM-9X.
 
First of all, what does it mean to liberate Taiwan? Force Taiwan to declare independence? But most people in Taiwan just want to maintain the status quo. China is Taiwan's largest source of trade surplus. Since 1949, China has fought 4 wars, and Taiwan has not declared independence.

It depends on the political situation. If China struggles against India militarily, then the Taiwanese can make the decision that's much more suitable for them. Status quo is subjective.

China wouldn't be threatening Taiwan every other day if the plan was to maintain status quo.

Secondly, North Korea, don't forget, North Korea has nuclear weapons, is South Korea willing to pay the entire Seoul metropolitan area?

NoKo's nukes are nothing, it's only a deterrent. The US can deal with them.

It's very hard to bring nukes out and use them when F-22s and F-35s are flying right over them. Even those that somehow manage to take off can be shot down in the boost stage with lasers. NoKo's lack of strategic depth is a problem.

In general, the United States will not go to war with China for India, China only needs to maintain basic homeland defense operations

The US doesn't have to go to war with China, which is the point. Again, if China is struggling to defeat India, then why will China dare to fight the US? Instead the US can make moves that can help Taiwan and Korea.
 
Different fighters we have will give us different results. Otoh, PAF is stuck with just two types (J-10 and J-11) that don't give enough experience against Indian jets.
To be honest, the only thing China has not been in contact with is the Rafale fighter. Needless to say, China is also a SU27/30/35 user.
The Mirage 2000 was prepared to be imported in China in 1988, but due to the price issue was not reached, the Sino-French relations eased in 2003, and Chinese pilots also flew the Mirage 2000 and conducted air combat training with French pilots.
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It depends on the political situation. If China struggles against India militarily, then the Taiwanese can make the decision that's much more suitable for them. Status quo is subjective.

China wouldn't be threatening Taiwan every other day if the plan was to maintain status quo.



NoKo's nukes are nothing, it's only a deterrent. The US can deal with them.

It's very hard to bring nukes out and use them when F-22s and F-35s are flying right over them. Even those that somehow manage to take off can be shot down in the boost stage with lasers. NoKo's lack of strategic depth is a problem.



The US doesn't have to go to war with China, which is the point. Again, if China is struggling to defeat India, then why will China dare to fight the US? Instead the US can make moves that can help Taiwan and Korea.
Regarding the security situation in China, we will discuss it later.
But in general, India is reluctant to put its own national security on the United States, right?
What's more, the US and India have not reached an alliance.
 
To be honest, the only thing China has not been in contact with is the Rafale fighter. Needless to say, China is also a SU27/30/35 user.
The Mirage 2000 was prepared to be imported in China in 1988, but due to the price issue was not reached, the Sino-French relations eased in 2003, and Chinese pilots also flew the Mirage 2000 and conducted air combat training with French pilots.
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Yes, it was all part of the West's plan to make China a counterweight to the SU. We had already talked about it, how the Chinese received a lot of tech from the West at the time.
 
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Regarding the security situation in China, we will discuss it later.

Pointing out that China has created theater commands so each theater is its own separate military. It's not as easily transferable to other commands as you think. Especially when China's enemies in other areas are stronger than India.

But in general, India is reluctant to put its own national security on the United States, right?
What's more, the US and India have not reached an alliance.

Our relationship right now is similar to the proverb, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The current American goal is to make India subservient to them, which is unlikely to work out as long as Modi is in power. But if the US defeats China someday, then India will become their next target.
 
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Different fighters we have will give us different results. Otoh, PAF is stuck with just two types (J-10 and J-11) that don't give enough experience against Indian jets.



MICA IR is really, really good. It has superior performance compared to the AIM-9X, no doubt. PL-10 is also sueprior to AIM-9X.
I think MICA IR is the only A2A IR missile that operates in WVR and also has a good BVR range... which we are also trying to do with ASTRA MK1. Not sure where people get their info.
 
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I think MICA IR is the only A2A IR missile that operates in WVR and also has a good BVR range... which we are also trying to do with ASTRA MK1. Not sure where people get their info.

MICA IR apparently does 65Km. And there's a MICA NG coming up. ASRAAM is also similar, said to match the range of old AMRAAMs, which is 50-60Km.
 
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MICA IR is really, really good. It has superior performance compared to the AIM-9X, no doubt. PL-10 is also sueprior to AIM-9X.
There is a problem with this sentence. The IR MiCA missile uses a dual-color line scan imaging seeker, while the PL10 and AIM9X use an infrared staring focal plane imaging seeker.
Compared with PL10 and AIM9X, the imaging sensitivity of IR MiCA still has a certain gap.
 
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There is a problem with this sentence. The IR MiCA missile uses a dual-color line scan imaging seeker, while the PL10 and AIM9X use an infrared staring focal plane imaging seeker.
Compared with PL10 and AIM9X, the imaging sensitivity of IR MiCA still has a certain gap.

Yes, this would be a flaw in the missile for now. It will only be corrected on the NG version.

But I was referring to kinematic performance rather than seeker performance.