That is what really matters
For ground attack , everyone has got SSMs and Cruise missiles and Glide bombs
USA is putting ALCMs on C130 and even we have put SAAW on Hawk
Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan
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That is what really matters
For ground attack , everyone has got SSMs and Cruise missiles and Glide bombs
USA is putting ALCMs on C130 and even we have put SAAW on Hawk
Just one question , can IAF counter their swift procurement of J10s with something? It has become headache due to idiots in IAF and MoD and even in PMO to delay things and not understand the gravity of situation.
PAF Block 52s yes. They only carry the aim-20c5 and legacy aim-9s however as the IAF learned in 2019 the blk52 are still more than capable.
PAF Block 52s yes. They only carry the aim-20c5 and legacy aim-9s however as the IAF learned in 2019 the blk52 are still more than capable.
First of all, B52s were not used then. Legacy Aim-120s and 9s, yeah, okay, but the Mig-21 was even older.
Secondly, you don't know this but the PAF vacated the Kashmir airspace for many months. This allowed us to bomb Pakistani forces to smithereens for months through unchallenged targeting via UAVs. There were a lot of PA dead.
Our IAF Chief himself said an F-16 was shot down. Where was the PAF? Who would you believe, a democratic India with a transparent system, or an authoritarian Pak that hid behind Twitter the entire time and disappeared from the media entirely? Where are they today? Hell, they are inducting J-10s in secret now. What's more, the PA is now creating an IADS bubble of their own, not the PAF, the PA, which indicates a complete lack of trust in the PAF.
It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together.
They are the ones reacting to the Mk1A order and Rafale inductions. We don't need to do anything new. PAF's MO is, we make a move and they react.
All we gotta do next is get the MKIs upgraded and MRFA started, so the usual plan.
Yeah we got to know that mig 21 is still more than capable for f16.PAF Block 52s yes. They only carry the aim-20c5 and legacy aim-9s however as the IAF learned in 2019 the blk52 are still more than capable.
This is the problem they will face.
Anything fired from beyond 40km against IAF will be useless.
No one engages at 100-150km in actual life.
If they maintain the serviceability. Then sure.
You do not counter them. You build your own planned capability.
That planned capability takes into consideration growth in enemy potential.
Mig21 Bison like capability. Nothing to boast about.PAF Block 52s yes. They only carry the aim-20c5 and legacy aim-9s however as the IAF learned in 2019 the blk52 are still more than capable.
J-10 is superior to the f-16 in every way and also most likely superior in electronics too.
The tejas mk 1 a will single-handedly solve our j-10 problem unironically. Tejas can easily handle sino-flankers too. Just need to increase the speed of induction and convert the IOC and FOC tejas to mk1a standards and induct either aim 120 series or accelerate or integrate the astra mk 2. The j-10 are just f-16's with a slightly better performance. The pl-15E is quite a mediocre missile and would be as effective as the aim 120c5.
It's a maximum indeed. Legacy AMRAAM has a no escape range in the 20 to 25 km. SD10 probably in the same area.
These F16 are now quite old.
And I doubt uncle Sam gave full spectrum F16 to a so turbulent "ally". Probably delivered with a cut in spec.
So it's more than possible that J10 are best performer.
The j-10 porkis will be using would have AESA and the pl-15E although the kinematics of the pl-15E are questionable the j-10 will have the first shot against our flankers far earlier than the f-16's. Rest we don't know what kind of spj the j-10 uses.
I doubt that will be a problem. The J-10 is now a pretty old jet.
Generally speaking, the maneuverability of J10 is slightly better than that of su27.
In China's internal military exercises, J11B relies on better radar to dominate in BVR, J10A dominates in WVR relying on mobility
But more importantly, the pilot
The point I am making is 4.5gen aircraft on two fronts is always tougher to deal to, with current Indian sqn strength. Because the area of operation and complexity increases geometrically when Pakistan procures it as well. The load on 36 rafales will increase dramatically and Su30mki need to cover over 3500 long LCA as well.
Had it been Mk2 version then I would say that , there is a pressure on the adversary but Mk1 I am skeptical about its performance with respect to J10's
But to give tejas electronic camouflage you need to have good numbers of MKIs and Rafales too if you want to cover the LAC and the western border.
S 400 is one solution but then still very less in numbers.
The J-10C with the PL-15, as long as the PAF got this missile, is currently an advantage over the MKI. So that's a definite plus for the PAF.
That is the single most least important part in our air defence. I don't know why everyone is so fixated on it.
We have 18 units of Spyder SAM. They proved their worth shooting down numerous UAVs.
And then we have MRSAM. This is something which actually intercepted a ballistic missile in Azerbaijan/Armenia conflict.
And we have Akash in large numbers.
S400 will add to our capabilities. It wouldn't be the single most important one.
The opposite. The S-400 is very important for the sole reason that it won't allow recon aircraft to peak into an area defended by the SAM.
150-250Km is the sweet spot for recon aircraft. They have to travel further in to spy on ground units, 50-100Km. So you can imagine what the S-400 can do to these aircraft.
If we get enough S-400s, like the IAF wants 10-12 regiments, not just 5, then the entire airspace can be protected. Then the sole purpose of the other SAMs, like Akash, SPYDER and MRSAM, would be to protect the S-400, while the S-400 protects everything else.
Remaining gap will be filled by LR and XR SAM. Which will be using learnings from our MRSAM project.
And no unlike the Russians use it , we won't be using it in a similar way. For them it's their primary, secondary and tertiary system.
Not the same for us.
Huh? Wachu talkin bout Willis?
Oh you mean that fake claim IAF shot down a PAF F-16? Don't tell me you still believe that lie? US is not afraid to disclose when their fighters go down and they haven't said a PAF F-16 got shot down or is missing you know why..? Because it didn't happen!
That Indian ego won't let youz guys accept the truth. Just accept it and don't let it happen again, ja? Next time use your Flankers.