Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

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This should be what they should fear the most, when it enters service it will Essentially cut PLANs access to IOR region.
This is only for really high value targets , like the very large carriers for jets uavs or helicopters even, or the LPD size big ships , or maybe those floating huge docks china makes for war use. The regular capital ships like destroyers etc are unlikely to be engaged with this. A deterrence for all yes, but when to choose target perhaps it will not target anything or everything floating.

In a way LR-AShM sort of extends the land version role of the Sagarika , a pseudo cruise missile to counter the 1971 like situation, the main reason why K-15 was conceptualised after the Soviets demonstrated it.
 
This is only for really high value targets , like the very large carriers for jets uavs or helicopters even, or the LPD size big ships , or maybe those floating huge docks china makes for war use. The regular capital ships like destroyers etc are unlikely to be engaged with this. A deterrence for all yes, but when to choose target perhaps it will not target anything or everything floating.

In a way LR-AShM sort of extends the land version role of the Sagarika , a pseudo cruise missile to counter the 1971 like situation, the main reason why K-15 was conceptualised after the Soviets demonstrated it.
"Cutting PLANs access to IOR region" here means, making them incapable of challenging IN in IOR & to crush any opposition PLAN shows if we ever decide to block Raw material supply heading towards china crossing IOR, in case of full scale war.

Destroying their carriers basically means, we destroy the aircover of chinese navy, any navy without aircover Is *censored*ed when facing opponents which have air power( IN aviation and IAF).

The only force that is not affected by LRASHM is PLAN submarine force.
 
n a way LR-AShM sort of extends the land version role of the Sagarika , a pseudo cruise missile to counter the 1971 like situation, the main reason why K-15 was conceptualised after the Soviets demonstrated it
But why was it never put into service and anti ship varient made?
Instead it is used in nuclear delivery role, and shaurya in limited no. Under stratigic forces command.

It's only now with induction of pralay, it is intended to be used in tactical land attack role.

From what I know russian zircon antiship&land attack HCM is similar to shaurya/K15 instead of using scramjet.

We could had our own ship launched zircon like/HCM like missile in service.
 
"Cutting PLANs access to IOR region" here means, making them incapable of challenging IN in IOR & to crush any opposition PLAN shows if we ever decide to block Raw material supply heading towards china crossing IOR, in case of full scale war.

Destroying their carriers basically means, we destroy the aircover of chinese navy, any navy without aircover Is *censored*ed when facing opponents which have air power( IN aviation and IAF).

The only force that is not affected by LRASHM is PLAN submarine force.
I am pretty sure things will not move in that way because only low power navy less Iran & Houthi type ragtag groups threaten such action. A confident navy with a decent amount of naval asset available will challenge any threat towards it with an aggressive posture as deterrent. The chinese know this very well, which is why they will not directly challenge in this way. The IOR is vast, much greater than we think and we certainly won't block any passage.

The only assets that are to be challenged are the naval military assets, and in this regard most action will be about calling out china's bluff tactics.
 
But why was it never put into service and anti ship varient made?
Instead it is used in nuclear delivery role, and shaurya in limited no. Under stratigic forces command.
Sagarika's role is to deter any nuclear threat, that includes threat posed by any nuclear power plant driven large vessel like SSN SSBN and the american carriers. When the soviet sub came to deter usa uk carrier group in the western shore , it had cruise missiles capable of taking out those carriers. That particular role left huge impression over the political contingent resulting in secret handover of nuke sub plans from USSR and later lease of soviet subs Chakra. Govt changes never stopped funding for such projects despite on off time impression in public but the work went on including full reverse engineering of Chakra containerised missile launching system. There was no benchmark available within the country nor any proper industry so even with delays finally Arihant came out that is capable of fielding a nuke tipped fast cruise missile capable of penetrating any ad system. Its sole purpose is to deter events like 1971 , or whatever the western coalition keep doing with less sophisticated ME nations. This will not get repeated in our case because the messaging is clear, they will find real trouble should they try to cause us trouble.
 
I am pretty sure things will not move in that way because only low power navy less Iran & Houthi type ragtag groups threaten such action. A confident navy with a decent amount of naval asset available will challenge any threat towards it with an aggressive posture as deterrent. The chinese know this very well, which is why they will not directly challenge in this way. The IOR is vast, much greater than we think and we certainly won't block any passage.

The only assets that are to be challenged are the naval military assets, and in this regard most action will be about calling out china's bluff tactics.
Yeah no, the raw material chocking would be to help our war effort on himalayan/land front.

There are handful of passage ways to cross IOR, we know what African countries supplies what raw materials, and where the ports are we can stop the ships near the ports, near the choke points etc.

It's another deck, we can play in desperate times in case of long term full scale war.

And to prevent that is literally the reason Chinese navy wishes to project power in IOR itself.
Sagarika's role is to deter any nuclear threat, that includes threat posed by any nuclear power plant driven large vessel like SSN SSBN and the american carriers. When the soviet sub came to deter usa uk carrier group in the western shore , it had cruise missiles capable of taking out those carriers. That particular role left huge impression over the political contingent resulting in secret handover of nuke sub plans from USSR and later lease of soviet subs Chakra. Govt changes never stopped funding for such projects despite on off time impression in public but the work went on including full reverse engineering of Chakra containerised missile launching system. There was no benchmark available within the country nor any proper industry so even with delays finally Arihant came out that is capable of fielding a nuke tipped fast cruise missile capable of penetrating any ad system. Its sole purpose is to deter events like 1971 , or whatever the western coalition keep doing with less sophisticated ME nations. This will not get repeated in our case because the messaging is clear, they will find real trouble should they try to cause us trouble.
So some k15 Sagarikas on Arihant and some shaurya missiles have conventional warhead?
Can it be guided towards & attack moving targets like ships?
 
Yeah no, the raw material chocking would be to help our war effort on himalayan/land front.

There are handful of passage ways to cross IOR, we know what African countries supplies what raw materials, and where the ports are we can stop the ships near the ports, near the choke points etc.
There are certain international level treaties and general agreements that at least our countries political hierarchy will always continue to abide by even if the other (rogue) side does not. Recent event is a prime example of it. So I am quite certain things like that won't be done by our military unless specifically instructed and allowed by the political leadership of the country.
 
There are certain international level treaties and general agreements that at least our countries political hierarchy will always continue to abide by even if the other (rogue) side does not. Recent event is a prime example of it. So I am quite certain things like that won't be done by our military unless specifically instructed and allowed by the political leadership of the country.
Desperate times calls for Desperate measures.
Chances of "full scale" war itself I pretty low, war if ever happened would most likely remain regional as it's in benifit of both sides to maintain that, but again if by a small chance full scale long term war did happen, then again Desperate times calls for Desperate measures.

Even US navy has plans to blockade chinese shipping, if things ever escalate to that level, also one of the main reason Chinese were building their "belt and road" project.
 
Desperate times calls for Desperate measures.
Chances of "full scale" war itself I pretty low, war if ever happened would most likely remain regional as it's in benifit of both sides to maintain that, but again if by a small chance full scale long term war did happen, then again Desperate times calls for Desperate measures.

Even US navy has plans to blockade chinese shipping, if things ever escalate to that level, also one of the main reason Chinese were building their "belt and road" project.
Its a rather lame narrative and propagated by US think tanks due to having plenty of proxies willing to do the dirty work, see Estonia effort recently. An actual evnt in a vast ocean like the south china sea and IOR will play out differently. At most certain ship boarding by patrolling parties will happen or stray incidents. Actual military blockade and engagement happens very few & far less without active participation from multiple countries , 5+ at least. Else its not effective.
 
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