India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[randomradio]

We know both countries are using proxy to destabilize other

No, we do not. India funding Taliban, BLF etc are all figments of imagination cooked up by the ISI to fool the Pakistanis.

If we actually start funding these groups, you will know immediately. I mean the general populace will know immediately because the intensity of the attacks will increase big time, to the point where you will have to raise a whole new army just to combat it. That's why this is part of Pakistan's nuclear red line.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Your entire thought process is so perverted that it begs questioning. By your thought process, I don't mean you specifically but your society. You claim your heart beats for Kashmir coz they're muslims. Accepted. What about the Bengalis in the erstwhile East Pakistan

You don't need to remind him what his army did to Bangladesh, that's too old.

He has front row tickets to see the slaughter of Afghans, where kids are killed, women are raped and young generation is thrown into terrorism all under direct supervision of Pakistani Army. Their army is at front including their army chief in starving Muslim kids to death in Yemen.

But look at the hypocrisy, they are warriors for Islam! Shameless hypocrites, they are warriors for money, wherever they can find it, have been selling their mother and daughters to pleasure Arabs and Chinese so that they can throw some chump change for them. They are curse on humanity, curse on Islam.

 

[_Anonymous_]

That's why this is part of Pakistan's nuclear red line.

That's BS. India isn't supporting any such insurgency directly coz the way Delhi views the current internal security situation via a vis proxies sponsored by Pakistan is that we can manage it minus major outrages viz 26/11, Pulwama, etc. If we start meddling in their internal affairs, they'd have hell to pay but they'd make us pay heavily too. The result would be mayhem across both sides of the border with the situation in Pakistan becoming even more precarious. More to the point, it'd divert all our energies and precious resources to better our socio economic conditions into arming ourselves and providing money and material to our proxies. Something which diverts from our stated aims to emerge as a developed economy in the long term .

 

[_Anonymous_]

You don't need to remind him what his army did to Bangladesh, that's too old.

He has front row tickets to see the slaughter of Afghans, where kids are killed, women are raped and young generation is thrown into terrorism all under direct supervision of Pakistani Army. Their army is at front including their army chief in starving Muslim kids to death in Yemen.

But look at the hypocrisy, they are warriors for Islam! Shameless hypocrites, they are warriors for money, wherever they can find it, have been selling their mother and daughters to pleasure Arabs and Chinese so that they can throw some chump change for them. They are curse on humanity, curse on Islam.

I would've used strong language , allegories and poured scorn and ridicule were he to resemble the "usual Pakistani" We encounter online. He seems interested in a dialogue and is mostly courteous, our mutual positions on various issues & mutual disagreements notwithstanding. Hence facts as are universally acknowledged ( not in Pakistan, though) were laid by yours truly on the table.

 

[Guynextdoor]

We will find a solution to terrorism.we are affected too.this all started after soviet invasion of afghanistan.too many afghans in Pakistan right now.we are paying price for hosting afghans.bad economy and poverty in Pakistan is known by all.we want solution as well.

You ain't gonna o any such thing bro. I mean..you hid osama....if that doesn't tell you how rotten things have gotten, nothing can.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

They did it to themselves.

Perhaps you are Not aware but in 1965 war
India DID NOT open a Front in East Pakistan

Because we didnt want to kill Bengali Muslims and make them India's enemies

Our Enemy was West Pakistan .

Infact after 1965 , Bengali Muslims of East Pakistan were worried that Enmity with
India will consume the Resources of East Pakistan and in future will also invite
Indian Military Response

Therefore they demanded a Greater SAY in
The making of Policies of the Govt of Pakistan

West Pakistanis did not like this New found
Assertive ness of East Pakistan and the conflict started between the Two

The seeds of 1971 were Sown in 1965

The Chinese too were aiming to create a two front Situation in the North East

A large Punjabi Pathan Army in East Pakistan would have hurt us badly

Therefore we had to Cut them into Two

 

[Golden_Rule]

I believe we do operations but we don't disclose it.it is practically impossible to stop everyone from crossing the border.they want to die for Kashmir and we all know about this problem of kashmir.this is why we want solution but solution is not possible without discussion.during Musharraf era,infiltrations stopped and both governments tried everything to make peace but after Musharraf,things returned to the same ferocious level.

Your tone is similar to Mohd Ghori, everytime he was nabbed, he plead with good intentions and when freed he talked about Ghazwa-e-hind and the nukiller arrows. The DNA hasn't changed in 1000 years

 

[Arsalan123]

Disagree.

First, I was never arguing if you could have defended BDesh or not, the impetus was not India, it was West Pakistan. You triggered the insurgency by undermining Bengalis as equal human and disrespecting their traditions.

Secondly, it was West Pakistan which argued security of East Pakistan lies with West. Thus, it was your own policies which defeated you.

Even more you didn't opened any front with India on our northern front which could have given you time to bring in international pressure. What was your army doing? Sitting duck in their barracks in West Pakistan?

Politics and hunger for power is the real reason.it was totally impossible to defend bangladesh.we accepted this as out fate and we move on.current Pakistan peoples party is corrupt.they have destroyed entire sindh.no water,no electricity,they are too corrupt.

 

[Arvind]

Politics and hunger for power is the real reason.it was totally impossible to defend bangladesh.we accepted this as out fate and we move on.current Pakistan peoples party is corrupt.they have destroyed entire sindh.no water,no electricity,they are too corrupt.

How many west pakistani muslims did jihad and suicide bombing in solidarity with muslim Bengalis?

 

[Arsalan123]

In 1947, Nawab of Kalat and Maharaja Hari singh of J&K signed "Stand Still Agreement" with India and Pakistan. What did you do? You first invaded J&K in violation of this agreement and than repeated the same with Balochistan also.

And what about Gujarat,Hyderabad and Kashmir? I think Gujarat decided to be with pakistan but India used army.you can't blame pakistan for everything.kashmir lies between two countries and very important for both countries.you have majority of Kashmir today.pakistani Kashmir is small as compared to indian side of kashmir.past is past.we can solve our problems if indian government wants talks but there is no offer from indian side.in this bjp rule,there is no concept of talks.i respect you as a very senior member but at least give us chance to improve our ties.

 

[Arsalan123]

How many west pakistani muslims did jihad and suicide bombing in solidarity with muslim Bengalis?

You can say that those closer to Kashmir was affected and there was passion but Bangladesh was far away so Bengali people had no passion for jehad.also Bengali people are very hard working and supported concept of pakistan.i think they defended Lahore in 65 as well.it is very sad that we lost our piece of land because of politics and hunger for power.

 

[_Anonymous_]

And what about Gujarat,Hyderabad and Kashmir? I think Gujarat decided to be with pakistan but India used army.you can't blame pakistan for everything.kashmir lies between two countries and very important for both countries.you have majority of Kashmir today.pakistani Kashmir is small as compared to indian side of kashmir.past is past.we can solve our problems if indian government wants talks but there is no offer from indian side.in this bjp rule,there is no concept of talks.i respect you as a very senior member but at least give us chance to improve our ties.

It was junagadh not Gujarat. Pls look up both the history & geography of Junagadh. The only negotiations on Kashmir from now on will centre on PoK. Everything else is in the past. This is going to be our line from now on.

Meanwhile, if you're really interested in a dispassionate analysis on why Pakistan finds itself the way it is today -

Reflect on this talk with an open mind and contemplate.

 

[Arsalan123]

Do you know how hard it is to get even a local made decent gun in India leave alone licensed one?

I don't know much about your system but it's true that Pakistani people don't provide them weapons.it is almost impossible.you have army on your border.we have our army on our border.it is not practically possible.kindly remember rdx used in pulwama.it was not shifted from our side to your side because it was too heavy.there are practical examples where the militants get the support of local people.pakistan can't change mentality of local kashmiri people.

 

[vstol Jockey]

And what about Gujarat,Hyderabad and Kashmir? I think Gujarat decided to be with pakistan but India used army.you can't blame pakistan for everything.kashmir lies between two countries and very important for both countries.you have majority of Kashmir today.pakistani Kashmir is small as compared to indian side of kashmir.past is past.we can solve our problems if indian government wants talks but there is no offer from indian side.in this bjp rule,there is no concept of talks.i respect you as a very senior member but at least give us chance to improve our ties.

Are you guys really so bad about history or do you pretend to be idiots? It was not Gujrat but Junagarh. Please read what happened there. J&K was one single state, And India had kept its side of stand still agreement with Hyderabad but the Nizam of Hyderabad threatened to massacre Hindus and was airlifting weapons from Pakistan to start this genocide thru Razakars. They even started raiding Indian territories and looted and raped Indian citizens. India had to launch a Police action against these raider Jihadis who wanted to kill Hindus and guess what??
All the bravado of these jihadis evaporated on the first sight of approaching Indian forces.

 

[metaphysician]

Looks like our intelligence apparatus in pulwama is pretty pathetic...

until the families of the terrorists also suffer , this will continue forever , the families of our soldiers suffer for life , why not punish their families too .enough of democracy and human rights propaganda $hit . terrorists ki families ko gayab kar dena cahayea h-zade kahinke

 

[Arsalan123]

Are you guys really so bad about history or do you pretend to be idiots? It was not Gujrat but Junagarh. Please read what happened there. J&K was one single state, And India had kept its side of stand still agreement with Hyderabad but the Nizam of Hyderabad threatened to massacre Hindus and was airlifting weapons from Pakistan to start this genocide thru Razakars. They even started raiding Indian territories and looted and raped Indian citizens. India had to launch a Police action against these raider Jihadis who wanted to kill Hindus and guess what??
All the bravado of these jihadis evaporated on the first sight of approaching Indian forces.

It is like saying that whatever you did in the past is right and whatever we are doing is wrong.this is not a good logic.jehadis and rape of women are just excuses.you wanted Hyderabad,you wanted junagadh.

 

[Killbot]

It is like saying that whatever you did in the past is right and whatever we are doing is wrong.this is not a good logic.jehadis and rape of women are just excuses.you wanted Hyderabad,you wanted junagadh.

OK, so you are saying that raping women and killing innocents in the name of Jihad is justified?

Oh yeah, I forgot, you are from Pakistan.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Another attack in Pulwama, 10 civilians injured after terrorists grenade missed the target and exploded on gate of police station.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

@randomradio

You must have heard of 1987
"Sumdorung Chu " Face off with China

If we had Not divided Pakistan in 1971
WHAT would have happened in 1987

Pakistan would have Acquired Sufficient Strength by 1987 , because of US aid

A large and Strong Pak Army would have attacked Eastern India ALONG with China from Arunachal Pradesh

A Strong Pincer attack , Chicken Neck Gone

 

[Killbot]

until the families of the terrorists also suffer , this will continue forever , the families of our soldiers suffer for life , why not punish their families too .enough of democracy and human rights propaganda $hit . terrorists ki families ko gayab kar dena cahayea h-zade kahinke

exactly.
This will bring the fear of India in those jehadi crows