India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Hi Arsalan, Salam wale kum
Ive been seeing your posts over some time and have also seen your exchanges today, something id like to point out, Pakistani civilians
like you said are not the bad guys but would you care to see the hospitality you've been offered here ?
A forum predominantly Indian, where mods step in and remind others to be civil while talking to you, a place
where your freedom of speech is respected and encouraged, a platform that allows you to question our soldiers, with
a few emotionally charged patriots and many level headed folk ...
With all that in place, wouldn't it be a little courteous of you to read something offered as proof to our reasoning and not dismiss it ?
Dont be like our bigots, or your idiots ? Acknowledge the respect we give you as that document is stained with the blood of
our men and women, make some time for it or drop the argument as you'll prove you're not worth it.
Sir thanks for your comment.i will definitely read it and will comment later.people of Pakistan want solution and not blasts in India.we also feel bad when people die in india.i will reply you later.thanks for your comment.i understand your point.
We will find a solution to terrorism.we are affected too.this all started after soviet invasion of afghanistan.too many afghans in Pakistan right now.we are paying price for hosting afghans.bad economy and poverty in Pakistan is known by all.we want solution as well.
I believe we do operations but we don't disclose it.it is practically impossible to stop everyone from crossing the border.they want to die for Kashmir and we all know about this problem of kashmir.this is why we want solution but solution is not possible without discussion.during Musharraf era,infiltrations stopped and both governments tried everything to make peace but after Musharraf,things returned to the same ferocious level.
@Arsalan123 Pakistan was/is playing games ever since its partition from India, first in Kashmir which led to war in 1948 & then again in 1965. Then Indira Gandhi played counter game and my oh my more than 93000 mard e momins surrendered with their heads down and half country lost to Bengalis.
Wounded Pakistan then started playing games in Punjab stoking khalistan movement (although it was also a political tug of war between Indira Gandhi, Durbara singh, zail Singh, and Akalis) and again Kashmir freedom movement both successfully contained by India. Now Modi government has just started playing games in fata, Gilgit Baltistan, Baluchistan, Sindh and pok and again look at Imran Khan and Bajwa begging for peace knowing what is coming their way.
We have just taken out our popcorn and are enjoying the show. Next 5years will be interested...
Note: India kept restraint during Nehru, Janta govt, idiot IK Gujral even shared India's deep assets to seek peace, Vajpayee tried with Lahore agreement only to be backstabbed by Pak Gernails. Modi like Indira Gandhi who delivered Bangladesh will deliver 4 babies to the world. Time for dossier dossier giving proof of Harpic sayeed and Ajgar Masood involvement and Aman Ka TAMASHA is long gone. Have fun...
Actually we never forget Bangladesh and this hostility is all because of bangladesh.you are the first indian member here who is accepting indian role in Sindh,fata,Balochistan,kpk etc.i like your courage.
This hostility is Because of Both
Kashmir and Bangladesh
If we had not intervened in Bangladesh
We would be Suffering infiltration
And Same kind of Terrorism in East India
What we did in 1971 was for our Own Safety
And your basis of belief is?
Fair enough but we are not talking of stopping everyone, atleast you must have stopped a few to show us.
They will die for Kashmir, sure. And many more generations to come while languishing the future of Pakistan which could have been way better if the energy of youth could be consumed in a better way.
And we know of moral standing these jihadis hold. Puppets changing hands.
And India didn't forgot 65. The difference is we succeed in 71 and Siachin and you are still craving for success.
To drive home the point. If India is not involved on counter ops inside Pakistan, in both insurgency and espionage. Then I believe an it better to wrap up the security/Intel agencies of India, and politicians who shy away from "will", be tried for treason. I hold no moral grandstanding on these matters, each and every effort should be made to destabilize a designated enemy, as long as consequeses are not directly reflected on us.
Sir it was our part so it was painful and India helped Bangladesh in the whole process which is even more painful and surrender which our indian members remind us on daily basis.kashmir has Muslim population so feelings and sympathy is for kashmir.we can't change ourselves quite easily.change requires trust and India and pakistan don't trust each other.
Bangladesh was also Muslim population, you must have saved some sympathies for them too.
As I said, its futile effort to tie up Kashmir infiltration with any moral standing. Its a lust for land and an excuse to maintain big army and its business all over.
We know both countries are using proxy to destabilize other but why cry if something happens in kashmir? Kashmir can also be part of proxy.problem for Pakistan is that India has created a diplomatic front against Pakistan and used Kashmir to portray terrorism.before this new indian policy, pakistani policy on Kashmir worked well.
Defending Bangladesh was the hardest thing and we failed miserably.it us impossible to defend a piece of land miles away from other provinces.you win your game.i don't argue.
Sir the people joining others in Kashmir means local support.there are many crucial things like how local militants gather weapon? What is the source? It is impossible for Pakistan to infiltrate everyone in your Kashmir just to provide them weapons.problem is far bigger and local support is biggest problem for India.
Disagree.
First, I was never arguing if you could have defended BDesh or not, the impetus was not India, it was West Pakistan. You triggered the insurgency by undermining Bengalis as equal human and disrespecting their traditions.
Secondly, it was West Pakistan which argued security of East Pakistan lies with West. Thus, it was your own policies which defeated you.
Even more you didn't opened any front with India on our northern front which could have given you time to bring in international pressure. What was your army doing? Sitting duck in their barracks in West Pakistan?
In 1947, Nawab of Kalat and Maharaja Hari singh of J&K signed "Stand Still Agreement" with India and Pakistan. What did you do? You first invaded J&K in violation of this agreement and than repeated the same with Balochistan also.
Do you know how hard it is to get even a local made decent gun in India leave alone licensed one?
Your entire thought process is so perverted that it begs questioning. By your thought process, I don't mean you specifically but your society. You claim your heart beats for Kashmir coz they're muslims. Accepted. What about the Bengalis in the erstwhile East Pakistan whom you tried to put down so brutally, when the AL under Mujib ur Rehman won the elections and Yahya Khan under the prodding of Bhutto and others refused to honour the mandate. Even if we accept the claim of 3 million Bangladeshis being genocided as exaggerated, there were definitely mass killings and rapes out of which the Hindus there paid a heavy price. How should we have felt then?
You claim your heart beats for Kashmiris. May I ask you what about the Pashtuns in FATA? You seem to be using heavy artillery, tanks and planes against your own people. Which has resulted in an IDP running in millions. They had to react and they've reacted. Why doesn't your heart beat for them? Then there's Balochistan where activists put out lists and photos of those missing on a weekly / monthly basis. The missing who turn up dead or are lost permanently. Apart from the mass rapes and tortures. Something which has been going on intermittently since independence. Why doesn't your heart beat for them.
These are but a few examples. What about land reforms in your Nation? Why's it that a few families own millions of acres of land while their tenant farmers lead precarious lives? Aren't they muslims too? Don't they deserve their share of the dream of "naya " Pakistan?
Your populace is an extremely successful example of what brainwashing over successive generations can accomplish just to benefit one particular section of your society to seize power and a huge proportion of the budget to justify their existence by claiming to protect you from imaginary foes and in pursuit of artificial goals.
Had you successfuly managed your country and economy your claims would've been valid. Look at the State of both.
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