Ukraine - Russia Conflict

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So you're saying it was France and Germany hellbent on bringing Ukraine into NATO? Or was it the US?
No, it was Russia. The only country that is making people want to join NATO is Russia.
Russia's current dependency on China is temporary, they will find alternatives to China in the mid term.
Where? Mongolia? Kazakhstan? Russia has to deal with its geography, like every other country. That's why their natural partners were the EU, but Putin's dictatorial ambitions meant aligning instead with China, as that is the other revanchist power that wants to promote dictatorship as the ideal form of government. China at least is their neighbor, though that's through the under-developed Russian far east which is largely depopulated because they slaughtered the natives and the area is too far from Europe and the big cities for the Russians (you can check Russian internal migration stats -- the Far Eastern, Siberian, Ural, and North Caucasian districts empty themselves into the Northwestern, Central, Southern, and Volga districts -- as well as their external migration stats -- mostly to Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Germany, and before the war, Ukraine). The Russian people look to the West, because that's where they can find prosperity; it's only the Russian leadership that looks to the South.
 
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The conviction is from 2011. And it's actually the other way round. People who are made outcasts by their country tend to attack it.
yeah it happened after 1998 when he refused the toe the west line on iraq. He spoke against the evil west against iraq war in 2003 and then they framed him to discredit him.

Obviously ppl without ding dongs dont see any coincidence when similar tactics is used to silence ppl.

sheep will always be sheep,


 

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France handed over to Ukraine two batteries of the Crotale air defense system, it is worth noting that it is not known which versions of the air defense system were transferred. The French air defense system "Crotal" was developed in the late sixties by order of South Africa, after which the French army became interested in it. In the late eighties and in 2010 the complex was modernized, it was called "Crotale NG". SAM "Krotal" were actively exported and installed on different chassis. The French Ministry of Defense planned to abandon the Crotale NG complexes, the decommissioning of the last air defense systems was scheduled for 2025. The United States also tested the complex, but in the end did not accept it into service. The air defense system has a target tracking radar antenna and an optical-electronic station. A foldable survey radar antenna is installed on top. One complex can simultaneously fire at one target with a capacity of up to 4 launches per minute. The firing range of the latest versions of air defense systems is 500-10000 meters, the height of target destruction is up to 6000 meters.


Russian military personnel are actively using guns in Ukraine against STUPOR drones. In the video, using this complex, a commercial drone of the Ukrainian army DJI Mavic 3 was planted. At the moment, 3 drones of the DJI Mavic 3 type were planted using the PARS "STUPOR" anti-drone complex.


Strike installations UR-83P and UR-77 in Ukraine. The UR-83P is an analogue of the UR-77 demining machine, but it is delivered to the place of use by truck and assembled on site. Installation assembly time 1.5 hours. After the installations and incendiary shells hit, at the end of the video, the Russian unit began to attack the village of Berestovoye.


Russian servicemen, under the cover of a tank, evacuated the wounded directly from the front line. The crew of the tank with the callsign "Vesitologist" approached the positions of the Ukrainian army almost point-blank, the distance was about 100 meters. The fire of the tankers was corrected from the drone. Also, at the risk, the coordination of the work of the crew was carried out by one soldier directly from the armor of the tank.


One of the Ukrainian soldiers, possibly a mercenary from Georgia, filmed an American armored car International MaxxPro of the Ukrainian army from the inside. MaxxPro armored personnel carrier manufactured by Navistar International, adopted by the United States in 2007. At that time, American troops in Iraq were urgently re-equipping with these vehicles, since the Humvee armored vehicles had poor mine protection. The MaxxPro armored vehicle can withstand an explosion of a mine in TNT equivalent up to 7 kg. In the US, you can buy a new MaxxPro for $550,000.

 

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yeah it happened after 1998 when he refused the toe the west line on iraq. He spoke against the evil west against iraq war in 2003 and then they framed him to discredit him.

Obviously ppl without ding dongs dont see any coincidence when similar tactics is used to silence ppl.

sheep will always be sheep,


You can't frame someone for an offence like that. :ROFLMAO:
The first is a video I clearly remember from months ago, it's a Russian missile failing.
boris johnson and his illustrious predecessors like tony blair always tell the truth, there is no doubt abt it.
You even change historical facts and word definitions to suit your agenda. Lying is fairly mild by comparison.
 
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Are you really this stupid? Aim-120 warhead is only 48lb blastfrag that damage was done by the missile it hit.
Not every one is a stupid like you are.

It clearly says that fragments of the missile were found which helped them to identify the missile.
Second it may be not be due to warhead but the entire missile which might have exploded on impact to the building which caused apartment to catch fire which caused the damage not the hit itself.
 

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Even Russian equipment and oil, or are they exempt from this equation?

Naturally impacts our sovereignty. Food, energy, defence, communication and now industrial-grade semiconductors. If you are getting these technologies from elsewhere, it affects sovereignty.

India is food and communication independent. Industrial-grade semiconductors, we should become independent long before the end of the decade. Defence, before the end of the decade, we should become independent in almost everything save for some very high-end aerospace tech but will be solved in time. Energy, we have a plan that involves switching almost entirely to home-made hydrogen, the process could begin large scale from the next decade onwards.

Russia has food, energy, comm and defence independence, but don't have semiconductors. China lacks energy. US is good for all.

Then there are other areas where one can lose sovereignty, like what Japan faced in the 80s and China is facing now. A ridiculously high trade surplus in finished goods trade gives the deficit country a negotiations advantage, especially if they can buy the same thing from elsewhere even if at a slightly higher cost.

India faces a similar issue due to high dependency on foreign investment in our stock market, although it's rapidly changing. So all the US has to do is hike interest rates and these FIIs pull their money out, it's a huge amount, and this results in weakening of our currency and makes energy imports more expensive, which has a cascading effect on our economy because the market is extremely sensitive to the price of oil. So we need to put pressure on the US, even the EU, to prevent unplanned hikes, and that requires giving some concessions elsewhere.

The Chinese handle this issue with strict capital controls, but India doesn't. Probably because the concessions we give is affordable in exchange for other benefits, like more investments, greater recognition of the rupee etc. Otoh, concessions required from China are probably unaffordable to them. They politically don't like such destabilising investments anyway, they prefer domestic participation in the stock market. Foreigners have $620B in India's stock markets, if the US and EU decide to pull out, we are screwed, unless capital controls are applied. In the long term, INR will become a reserve currency, it will be fine then.

You can say that it will take until 2040 or 2050 for India to become as sovereign as the US is today.
 

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:cool: and lest i be accused of bias in favour of India:
Scholar narrates how Indians controlled Uganda's economy

Yeah. That CFA video is nonsense.

West Africa is the same as the ME. Clients look the other way while these guys commit atrocities on their own people. Pretty much all of Africa.
 

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thats what why some ppl are called sheep they just believe what govt says. 🤣
So what? They paid off the victim, the judge and the jury? The US doesn't operate some kind of Russian kangaroo court you know.
who is crying hard here?
You.
🤣 yeah lying and then murdering millions of ppl is normal for parasites.

Two lies in one there.

1. The figure of 2 million is massively inaccurate even for the outright total number of deaths.

2. Coalition forces did not murder the Iraqi civilians, that was militia groups and Al Quaeda.

But yeah, Tony Blair is a liar too. He's Labour, he can't help it.
 

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No, it was Russia. The only country that is making people want to join NATO is Russia.

If only Russia could make all the decisions.

Where? Mongolia? Kazakhstan? Russia has to deal with its geography, like every other country. That's why their natural partners were the EU, but Putin's dictatorial ambitions meant aligning instead with China, as that is the other revanchist power that wants to promote dictatorship as the ideal form of government. China at least is their neighbor, though that's through the under-developed Russian far east which is largely depopulated because they slaughtered the natives and the area is too far from Europe and the big cities for the Russians (you can check Russian internal migration stats -- the Far Eastern, Siberian, Ural, and North Caucasian districts empty themselves into the Northwestern, Central, Southern, and Volga districts -- as well as their external migration stats -- mostly to Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Germany, and before the war, Ukraine). The Russian people look to the West, because that's where they can find prosperity; it's only the Russian leadership that looks to the South.

What is it you're referring to? Trade happens via sea. Their neighbours outside NATO and China are quite weak.

The Russian economy will pivot to where the money is. Today, there's only the US+allies and China. Tomorrow, there will be other countries, like India, ASEAN and the African Union. It's only a matter of time.

The Russians need access to reserve currencies, they will find it in the yuan and rupee within a decade.

They have not been boxed in by the West either, they have a lot of options. Only their gas trade will see disruption. Their oil trade will continue.

Russian exports in 2021:
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Everything can be lapped up by the Third World. It's a small amount to boot.

Russian imports in 2021:
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The Third World can provide quite a bit of that. At least most of it in the 2030s.