Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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There's 30k extra missing based on social media (above the 509k excess deaths) and not all of Russia even has a toilet, let alone the internet. And then you have ones without relatives.
Far less than Russia, as stated previously they have >1 drone for every Russian.
Russian fighters are falling from the sky themselves.
I'm going by your own figures at present exchange rates.
Where is your x2 'cause of exchange rate from? How old is your article? It was revised to 9.3T rubles in October, a reduction from previous plan.
'Everything for the front': Russia allots a third of 2024 spending to defence
Defence spending will account for almost one third of Russia's total budget expenditure in 2024, the government's draft plans show, as Moscow diverts ever more resources towards prosecuting its war in Ukraine.
No, see above.
Endless range torpedo is slow and useless, it's not new tech. either, just a new use of existing tech. Su-57 isn't stealthy. Armata will be just as useless as T-90 when it finally arrives, and S-XXX has proven useless in this war. As regards Avangard, nobody has ever seen one. Articles are using artists impressions of a HTV-2 with a Russian badge on it. The film Firefox is based on fears of what the MiG-31 would be, see how that turned out. At the present rate of solid-state laser advancement, The US will be able to shoot down their missiles with lasers soon.
Capex isn't necessarily for new stuff. Most of the stuff it's building is either blowing up and getting blown up shortly after due to war. Not so much for US.
How much is being spent on yachts given nature of authoritarian regime.
Any western aircraft will do better than Russia has managed in Ukraine. They've barely used their aircraft and still they're falling out of the sky by themselves due to exhaustion.
There are ~40 countries to deal with Russia and China.
It's the electronics smugglers that are gouging them.
We absolutely can, but it won't take nearly that many to take out the key production facilities. <1,000 cruise missiles per year targeting Russian defence production infrastructure will be more than enough. Basically, we can produce missiles >100x faster than they can produce factories and that's the only metric that matters once it begins.
I'm going by your own figures at present exchange rates.
Where is your x2 'cause of exchange rate from? How old is your article? It was revised to 9.3T rubles in October, a reduction from previous plan.
'Everything for the front': Russia allots a third of 2024 spending to defence
Defence spending will account for almost one third of Russia's total budget expenditure in 2024, the government's draft plans show, as Moscow diverts ever more resources towards prosecuting its war in Ukraine.www.reuters.com
No, see above.
What on earth are you talking about?
Sure, you wanna say nothing Russian works, fine. But you're still gonna have to keep up,'cause the Pentagon is unlikely to share in your sentiments.
What Russia's losing in the war is peanuts.
Private money.
Sure. But the opposite of Western military views.
It's about money, not the number of countries. Or you could compare populations. China and Russia have 1.6 billion people. US and allies have 1.1 billion.
Lol. What a million bucks?
Er... No. That's not how it works. You'd need 10,000 to 20,000 fighter sorties a day alongside 5,000-10,000 missiles a day. And that would probably cripple maybe 20-30% of their production. Ukraine can't do anything to Russia's production.
Footage from the Ukrainian M2A2 ODS Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, made in the USA, captured by Russian units during the fighting in the Avdiivka direction. The Bradley infantry fighting vehicle was used by the 47th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian army and was knocked out on the northern flank of Avdiivka. As previously reported, Bradley infantry fighting vehicles could not evacuate Russian units to the rear for a long time; this was hampered by the Ukrainian army and the poor condition of the roads. As a result, this was done with the help of two military tractors. As can be seen from the video, the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle was quickly restored and is already on the move, and the external appearance of the armored personnel carrier does not look bad. It is not reported whether Russian units of the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle will be used in combat operations, or will be sent to factories for research.
I ask myself that everytime you post.
Proof is in the pudding. They can't even count FFS.
Nope, corruption.
Look at the facts, their airforce has been useless. It's mostly served as a ground target.
The number of countries and money is so high that they can spend a fraction and still be better.
Whatever they want, it's not like Russia has other options.
Clearly not, only a couple hundred Storm Shadows were given to Ukraine and not all have been used yet, and look at the damage they've done, even though targeting was restricted to Ukraine. Multiply the number by 10 but with JASSM-ER and Tomahawks and allow Russian production plants to be hit. Then hit them again as soon as they're rebuilt. Aircraft production would be a prime target, as would artillery and munitions factories.
On numbers:
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Putin: 617 thousands of Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine Moskva, Moscow - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on live map - liveuamap.com
Putin: 617 thousands of Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated to factual reporting of a variety of important topics including conflicts, human rights issues, protests, terrorism, weapons...
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You should get an education then.
You need disposable income. The high income countries are becoming poorer due to unchecked welfare and people becoming more and more reliable on it to the point of dependency, to the point where now these countries cannot focus as much on defense, 'cause there's not enough growth.
Sure, you can believe that.
I'm likely more educated than you.
More to cut shouyld we ever need to. No such cutting margins in Russia.
It's proven. The only thing saving Russia is NATO currently restricting missile use to the border of Ukraine.
I think its a fakeOn numbers:
Putin: 617 thousands of Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine Moskva, Moscow - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on live map - liveuamap.com
Putin: 617 thousands of Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated to factual reporting of a variety of important topics including conflicts, human rights issues, protests, terrorism, weapons...
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Straight from the Kremlin.
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Don't need to, I have my qualifications.
You don't need to state that, you need to prove that.
Seriously, nations with a combined GDP of $50tr are going to struggle you think?
I said 1,000 per year targeted at production facilities inside Russia. At the moment NATO has restricted Ukraine from such targets, that will eventually change. If they provide LRASM, they could also make the whole Black Sea a no-go area for Russia.
Who's really funding this war for Russia:
Be careful to understand that we have been in a game of influence for several weeks, particularly recently.
In the USA, the Republicans want Biden to act on immigration so that they accept a compromise, this is not a debate for or against aid to Ukraine. All the influence of fear of Russia is used to convince a few elected officials so that they prefer to release funds for Ukraine while leaving immigration measures aside for the next vote. Whether it's the statements of this or that (including Ukrainian officials), let's understand that this is not "information", let's not treat it like that.
Russia has also been meddling in this influence game lately. For her, the speech gives the illusion that everything is going well for her, that she will continue her fight until the end and that helping Ukraine is just a waste of money, that is no use, it only postpones the inevitable. Here too we are not faced with information, it is influence, psychology which even targets foreigners more than the Russian population itself.
Moscow needs the West to abandon Ukraine to win, if Western aid had no impact on its chances of winning, it would not talk about it, it would focus on its military strength and its capabilities to take it away by force.
You cannot say on the one hand that Western aid changes nothing when at the same time your army has been in a defensive position for more than a year due to military difficulties. We discuss for weeks whether the Russian army advances 100m in two or three places on the map, this is not proof that Russia dominates the situation or crushes the Ukrainian army, because basically the latter can do the same at other places on the front.
The situation is what it is, that is to say that neither Ukraine nor Russia has any military superiority, that even if Western aid is not going to wipe out the Russian army in 1 month, it allows the Ukrainian army to use it. No matter what Putin and company say, this war is not being fought as a simple formality with victory guaranteed, as if it would be written in advance. Even if they give the impression that there are no problems with human resources, ammunition, materials and they act as if it is only in the face that it is subject to wear and tear, it is still influence, psychology and not information.
Many of us still maintain the imagination of a Russian army which would be a bottomless pit of men, equipment and ammunition. Doing this leads us to consider that in this war of attrition, we would only be counting the time before Ukraine loses, that it is only Ukraine which risks running out of materials, ammunition, men. Raise for a moment the opposite idea, that is to say that time and the wear and tear of war will cause Russia to weaken at the risk of losing, this becomes for some an impossible, unimaginable thing. But I will repeat it, when I see today that for the Kremlin we seem to depend on a Western abandonment of Ukraine to envisage military victory, for me this is not at all the expression of confidence in his chances of winning through his own abilities (in his possession or in the future).
There, aid has been limited for several weeks, and we have had a front that remains fixed. I repeat, it is not 50m in 3 weeks to a place that should make people say that the Russians are "advancing" and that the Ukrainians are in difficulty, any more than we can do it on the left bank of the Dnieper by reversing the roles.
The new Western aid that is being negotiated in the USA and Europe is not nothing. It is she who determines the continuation of the war and which will define the next phase. It is she who will make it possible to change the situation, whether by accelerating and increasing the attrition of the Russians or by giving the Ukrainians the means to gain a military advantage. But if we continue to tell ourselves that usury does not affect the Russians, then obviously we will want to tell ourselves that this aid will not change anything. Yet when we look at the ground, are we observing a Russian army which continues to consume its old stock of Soviet equipment or a Russian army which is there unpacking a mass of new production to replace and densify its armed forces? I think we all agree to say that we are in the first case, I think we all agree to understand that we will not see a military upheaval coming on the Russian side, that they will continue the war like what we see today but without a rebound in capabilities. It is not for nothing that they hope for Western abandonment of Ukraine, that they want to put an end to it as quickly as possible, the Russian army is not getting stronger as time goes by.
There must be no doubt, Western aid will be released, one or the other will have given in on this or that point. We will once again see donations close to what we saw at the start of this year, weekly donations closer to 1500 million than 150 million. We will once again be entitled to a sort of global "program" which will include the training of troops, equipment and the definition of a future offensive strategy. For the USA, the 61 billion will be until September 2024 (fiscal year) that it will be able to develop, for information between February 2022 and now the Americans have spent around 45 billion. Let us understand the volume/time ratio that this aid will bring, of course we should not believe that everything that was given before was destroyed by the Russians. For Europeans, there are many countries (including France) waiting for the release of 50 billion from the EU. There are 17 billion in it which are used to reimburse the value of what we will give to the Ukrainians, many countries will “benefit” from it.
Today we are in a tactical limbo in which the Ukrainians and Russians are waiting for the next wave of Western aid to be released. The choices (donations) that are made will have a certain influence on this conflict. In a few months there will be as much given as in almost 2 years. We must not only obsess over 155mm shells to think that the West is at the end of what it can offer.
They don't show here.
Yes. Like how even the rich go bankrupt. Without producing more children, how are you going to sustain an economy while also militarizing?
The Russians have managed to increase spending on their economy and military at the same time. But the West has to sacrifice one for the other.
1000 missiles a year won't do anything. Making the Black Sea worthless to the Russians is pretty much worthless to the Ukrainians as well, victory needs to be achieved on land and against existing troops on the front.
Putin claims 244000 Russians are fighting in Ukraine and 486000 new troops have signed up. You can't attack these soldiers with long range missiles.
You only think that because you are wrong.
By cutting lots of things, plus new innovation.
Russia has no more cuts it can make on spending elsewhere, and China is helping them massively too.
Damage to assets costs money. One of the main reasons for this was was Sevastopol and control of the Black Sea. By neutralising their entire Black Sea Fleet, they lose control of the Black Sea. Imagine hitting even 500 Russian defence production facilities, if there are that many, like the Almaz-Antey, NPO Energomash plants etc. Hit them during the day and kill the defence production workers too. Hit the Sukhoi, MiG design and Makeyez design bureaus and kill all the engineers.....etc.
You don't need to, you just kill off their ammunition and fuel supplies.
Military grew, everything else was cut. It has workers not being fully paid and working massive overtime in the defence industry
There inability to defend against Storm Shadow points to weaknesses. If they were properly exploited it would change the war completely.