Trainer Aircraft of IAF - PC-7, HTT-40, HJT-36, BAE Hawk



Everyone calm down, according to the resident optimist here no matter what more PC-7s are coming.
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Why there is long period for spin and stall tests?

From the news, HAL had completed 3 spins, and progressively achieve required 6 spins..

Any specific reason for the HTT40 getting delayed.
Any suggestion s for them to quicken the pace?
 
@vstol Jockey

Why there is long period for spin and stall tests?

From the news, HAL had completed 3 spins, and progressively achieve required 6 spins..

Any specific reason for the HTT40 getting delayed.
Any suggestion s for them to quicken the pace?
Spin test requires that aircraft should be capable of recovering from a fully stabilised spin. Normally a two turn spin is considered unstabilised spin and recovery is quick. But once the aircraft stabilises in the spin, the control surfaces must be strong enough to break the spin and recover the aircraft. Six turn spin is considered a stabilised spin. The progression from two turn to six turn is very slow as after each spin the data is analysed. Plus most important part about a trainer is that even with minor airframe deficiencies, the aircraft must retain its full spin behavior and should be capable of repetitive recovery performance across the fleet.
 
Spin test requires that aircraft should be capable of recovering from a fully stabilised spin. Normally a two turn spin is considered unstabilised spin and recovery is quick. But once the aircraft stabilises in the spin, the control surfaces must be strong enough to break the spin and recover the aircraft. Six turn spin is considered a stabilised spin. The progression from two turn to six turn is very slow as after each spin the data is analysed. Plus most important part about a trainer is that even with minor airframe deficiencies, the aircraft must retain its full spin behavior and should be capable of repetitive recovery performance across the fleet.

Can we test it over sea in quick er schedule, so that even if there is failure pilot can bail out... And followed with chase SAR helicopters.

Coz time is most essential for us, loss of prototype in accelerated testing is acceptable I guess.
 
Can we test it over sea in quick er schedule, so that even if there is failure pilot can bail out... And followed with chase SAR helicopters.

Coz time is most essential for us, loss of prototype in accelerated testing is acceptable I guess.
A crash will throw the whole process behind by over a few years
 
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Its quite sometime since the maintenance contract with Pilatus has lapsed, and with the ongoing investigations, I don't think anyone is expecting anything soon.

The thing is, IAF needs 180+ BTTs as of now, was making do with 75 PC7MK2 for some time, with no upkeep contract, its like 30-40 operational BTTs and within 4-6 months, it will be zero.


Now that's potentially the 4th largest Airforce we are talking about. Well done Modi, well done MoD, well done HAL!
 
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Its quite sometime since the maintenance contract with Pilatus has lapsed, and with the ongoing investigations, I don't think anyone is expecting anything soon.

The thing is, IAF needs 180+ BTTs as of now, was making do with 75 PC7MK2 for some time, with no upkeep contract, its like 30-40 operational BTTs and within 4-6 months, it will be zero.


Now that's potentially the 4th largest Airforce we are talking about. Well done Modi, well done MoD, well done HAL!

Once CBI comes in, that deal is dead. The entire PC7 program is now screwed up.
 
My guess is the MoD will now sign an FMS deal with the Americans. The T-6 Texan II.

It's basically a copy of the PC-9.
 
75 PC7MK2, 38 T6 and 80+ HTT40. Why not?

It's likely that all remaining trainers will end up with just 1 company. So if HAL screws up, then someone else will get a deal to supply the remaining. Either 106 HTT-40 or 106 T-6. Not to mention, the requirement is set to climb what with the need to train navy pilots also.

Not to mention, IAF thinks HAL won't get their trainer ready until 2021, and only then will production start.
 
It's likely that all remaining trainers will end up with just 1 company. So if HAL screws up, then someone else will get a deal to supply the remaining. Either 106 HTT-40 or 106 T-6. Not to mention, the requirement is set to climb what with the need to train navy pilots also.

Not to mention, IAF thinks HAL won't get their trainer ready until 2021, and only then will production start.

I hope they do maintenance deal ( for Pilatus) with some vendor and be done with it.

Rest all should go to HTT40.