Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Imagine how many programs could've been farther along were it not for some traitorous egos.

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Go read the book Weapons of Peace by Raj Chengappa which details the story of our nuclear and missile program; that those programs succeeded at all considering the moon sized ego of the people involved in those programs is a miracle. Indian men have such large egos is unbelievable.
 
Go read the book Weapons of Peace by Raj Chengappa which details the story of our nuclear and missile program; that those programs succeeded at all considering the moon sized ego of the people involved in those programs is a miracle. Indian men have such large egos is unbelievable.
It's easy to highlight negative things or sensationalise using controversial stuff, but the other side of the equation is that all our programmes succeeded because of incessant hard work, selfless ego, patriotism along with talent of our great scientists. Without them India wouldn't be a military superpower like what we are now.
 
Since MKIs were not introduced with multi-sensor fusion, pilots would offload work to each other for different targets with different priorities. EA too requires manual oversight.

One pilot handled air targets, another ground targets, a third prioritized targets for weapons release, a fourth commanded the group. That's your mini-AWACS.

Russian A-50Us themselves relied on ground stns to process and up-link their tactical data back to them.

Can you imagine the exponential workload pilots would've to deal with in your scenario? The risk of fratricide is much higher too.

You are getting too hung up on the term 'mini-awacs'. All it means is radar picket.

It's no different functionally than say the Ka-31 helo which sweeps for targets, downloads data to surface ships for follow-up action.
 
Russian A-50Us themselves relied on ground stns to process and up-link their tactical data back to them.

It uses a different system for ground link. Soviet aircraft had airborne data links since the Su-9 days.

Can you imagine the exponential workload pilots would've to deal with in your scenario? The risk of fratricide is much higher too.

That's the point of a patrol link.

A patrol link is for transfers of large volumes of data, which is not possible with a regular data link.

A standardized data link works in L or S band, like BNET, whereas patrol links work in the Ku band.

For example, Link 16 does up to 100 kbps, whereas MADL manages 1 Gbps.

On the MKI, they can share each other's data in 4-ship formations, the same as what the APD-518 used to do for the Mig-31. That's how you get mini-AWACS.

The APD-518 is a Soviet-era, high-speed digital secure datalink designed for the Mikoyan MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor, allowing a flight of four aircraft to automatically share radar-generated target data within a 200 km (120 mi) range. It allowed the MiG-31 to operate efficiently as a coordinated, network-centric fighting unit, sharing data on targets, including cruise missiles and low-altitude satellites.

Similarly to the complex S-300 missile system, aircraft group with APD-518 can share data obtained by various radars from different directions (active or passive scanning of radiation) and summarize the data. The target can be detected passively (via its emissions of jamming or use of its radar) and/or actively simultaneously from many different directions (with the MiG-31 using its radar). Every aircraft with the APD-518 will have the exact data, even if it is not involved in the search.

Digital immune system provides the automatic exchange of tactical information in a group of four interceptors, remote one from another at a distance of 200 km (120 mi) and aiming at the target group of fighters with less-powerful avionics (in this case the aircraft performs the role of guidance point or repeater).


So it was radar + EW.

The only difference is many Soviet aircraft carried this link while MKIs got the more advanced TKS-2 family. We standardized on an Israeli link.
 
It's easy to highlight negative things or sensationalise using controversial stuff, but the other side of the equation is that all our programmes succeeded because of incessant hard work, selfless ego, patriotism along with talent of our great scientists. Without them India wouldn't be a military superpower like what we are now.
Sir the ego fight between Sethna and Ramanna was (a part) of the reason why our hydrogen bomb program took time.
 
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It uses a different system for ground link. Soviet aircraft had airborne data links since the Su-9 days.



That's the point of a patrol link.

A patrol link is for transfers of large volumes of data, which is not possible with a regular data link.

A standardized data link works in L or S band, like BNET, whereas patrol links work in the Ku band.

For example, Link 16 does up to 100 kbps, whereas MADL manages 1 Gbps.

On the MKI, they can share each other's data in 4-ship formations, the same as what the APD-518 used to do for the Mig-31. That's how you get mini-AWACS.

The APD-518 is a Soviet-era, high-speed digital secure datalink designed for the Mikoyan MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor, allowing a flight of four aircraft to automatically share radar-generated target data within a 200 km (120 mi) range. It allowed the MiG-31 to operate efficiently as a coordinated, network-centric fighting unit, sharing data on targets, including cruise missiles and low-altitude satellites.

Similarly to the complex S-300 missile system, aircraft group with APD-518 can share data obtained by various radars from different directions (active or passive scanning of radiation) and summarize the data. The target can be detected passively (via its emissions of jamming or use of its radar) and/or actively simultaneously from many different directions (with the MiG-31 using its radar). Every aircraft with the APD-518 will have the exact data, even if it is not involved in the search.

Digital immune system provides the automatic exchange of tactical information in a group of four interceptors, remote one from another at a distance of 200 km (120 mi) and aiming at the target group of fighters with less-powerful avionics (in this case the aircraft performs the role of guidance point or repeater).


So it was radar + EW.

The only difference is many Soviet aircraft carried this link while MKIs got the more advanced TKS-2 family. We standardized on an Israeli link.

Even so, there's just one active emitter at any given time while the rest maintain strict emcon to evade detection. Passive EW/IRST remains active for all jets throughout.
 
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Even so, there's just one active emitter at any given time while the rest maintain strict emcon to evade detection. Passive EW/IRST remains active for all jets throughout.

There's no such rule. A jet doesn't have to be emitting anything.

It says passively and/or actively.

All 4 can have their radars off and work on passive mode only.
 

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Apparently news of the R-37M being cleared for sale to India by Russia is circulating. Wouldn't this mean our 30MKIs will have to be grounded while they're integrated with the Axehead? And weren't there some rumors of a possible 30MKI upgrade planned with Russian involvement (One part of which would be to arm them with R-37Ms) that'd run parallel to the indigenous Super Sukhoi programme?
 
Apparently news of the R-37M being cleared for sale to India by Russia is circulating. Wouldn't this mean our 30MKIs will have to be grounded while they're integrated with the Axehead? And weren't there some rumors of a possible 30MKI upgrade planned with Russian involvement (One part of which would be to arm them with R-37Ms) that'd run parallel to the indigenous Super Sukhoi programme?
Once few MKIs are configured to carry and fire R-37M, rest just need software and MC tweeks to do the same. So entire fleet won't be grounded as the upgrade would be done incrementally from one squadron to another.
 
Once few MKIs are configured to carry and fire R-37M, rest just need software and MC tweeks to do the same. So entire fleet won't be grounded as the upgrade would be done incrementally from one squadron to another.
Well yeah I meant squadron by squadron, but given the current geopolitical situation and rising tensions, would't it be more prudent to wait a bit?
 
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