Sukhoi Su-30MKI

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Instead money would used for more Rafales?

Or simply cancellation of upgrade.?
Su30MKI will serve us for its full 40-45 years. So it would be unwise to do so.

Rafale (MMRCA ) - LCA MK2 and Su30MKI upgrade, all 3 seperate are important. One cannot replace other. We need to understand it.
 

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Instead money would used for more Rafales?

Or simply cancellation of upgrade.?
It's simply not a technological upgrade when you consider MKI upgrades. When they head off to battle, you are protecting the lives of these valuable pilots of MKI.
 

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Su30MKI will serve us for its full 40-45 years. So it would be unwise to do so.

Rafale (MMRCA ) - LCA MK2 and Su30MKI upgrade, all 3 seperate are important. One cannot replace other. We need to understand it.
Give MKI, an early retirement and go for F15EX. If wants we can keep some newly inducted MKI & Brahmos capable ones. I feel F15EX will give us an edge over any su30 copies of China, US military support will be an icing on top.
 
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Give MKI, an early retirement and go for F15EX. If wants we can keep some newly inducted MKI & Brahmos capable ones. I feel F15EX will give us an edge over any su30 copies of China, US military support will be an icing on top.
That ll take a decade to get it accomplished.

By then our Mk2, Amca & evev TEDBF would be flying.

What a colossal loss of money on duplicating the capabilities..

Since USA waived India from CATSAA, one could expect some deals come through..

My guess Is F18.
 

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That ll take a decade to get it accomplished.

By then our Mk2, Amca & evev TEDBF would be flying.

What a colossal loss of money on duplicating the capabilities..

Since USA waived India from CATSAA, one could expect some deals come through..

My guess Is F18.
Maybe F-35. India really needs a stealth fighter to counter chicoms the CATSAA waiver just may have opened the door for the F-35.
 
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Give MKI, an early retirement and go for F15EX. If wants we can keep some newly inducted MKI & Brahmos capable ones. I feel F15EX will give us an edge over any su30 copies of China, US military support will be an icing on top.
We are unable to replenish lost Mig21,23 and 27 squadrons, currently have no means to replenish the soon to be retired Darin 2 squadrons and the replacement of Darin 3, M2000 and Mig29 depends on the future almost 7-8 years away.

Let us have the breakfast then we will talk about lunch.
 
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We can't even add indigenous sensors on jets we manufactured, what's benefit of making them in our backyard in higher cost. Indigenous AESA to be installed on MKIs looks nowhere near ready, only EW suite and LRUs can be replaced, this package offered by HAL is very small will cost more money keep 85 MKIs in hanger. Let HAL wait for couple of years before they can bring something concrete, so that upgrading 85 MKIs won't be an expensive affair.
 
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We can't even add indigenous sensors on jets we manufactured, what's benefit of making them in our backyard in higher cost. Indigenous AESA to be installed on MKIs looks nowhere near ready, only EW suite and LRUs can be replaced, this package offered by HAL is very small will cost more money keep 85 MKIs in hanger. Let HAL wait for couple of years before they can bring something concrete, so that upgrading 85 MKIs won't be an expensive affair.

Hal will combine that with overhaul.
Don't know how Hal is offering maintenance contract to international su customer s.

Uttam mk 1 is yet to be inducted in mk1A
Su 30 may need mk3

Incase we finish upgrade Su30 by ourselves and Russian situation remains same,
We can even offer upgrade contracts..
 
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Maybe F-35. India really needs a stealth fighter to counter chicoms the CATSAA waiver just may have opened the door for the F-35.

Not without the new engine. I had pointed out years ago that the F-35A will not be able to operate in India without the AETF, and it appears even the USAF agrees with that today for their own needs.
 

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We can't even add indigenous sensors on jets we manufactured, what's benefit of making them in our backyard in higher cost. Indigenous AESA to be installed on MKIs looks nowhere near ready, only EW suite and LRUs can be replaced, this package offered by HAL is very small will cost more money keep 85 MKIs in hanger. Let HAL wait for couple of years before they can bring something concrete, so that upgrading 85 MKIs won't be an expensive affair.

The radar is dependent on DRDO though, along with the EW suite. HAL only does integration work based on what the IAF chooses.
 

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Give MKI, an early retirement and go for F15EX. If wants we can keep some newly inducted MKI & Brahmos capable ones. I feel F15EX will give us an edge over any su30 copies of China, US military support will be an icing on top.
The flanker upgrade is a necessity. It will remain the backbone of our air force for until the 2030's. With or without f-15EX the flankers are too valuable.
Maybe F-35. India really needs a stealth fighter to counter chicoms the CATSAA waiver just may have opened the door for the F-35.
The f-35 maybe bought but only after blk 4 upgrade I feel and at best would be a small order of 12-24 AC's unless we go for the su-57 if the item 30 goes online.
 

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You may aswell talk about buying JF17 before an F35 offer officially comes. You guys need to see the list of countries F35 has been offered. All are traditional western allies. Allies for which USA will take up a fight.

There's a reason why no F35 for UAE or Saudia.
Allies who will everyday choose USA over any other nation and an attack on USA will be an attack on them.
 

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You may aswell talk about buying JF17 before an F35 offer officially comes. You guys need to see the list of countries F35 has been offered. All are traditional western allies. Allies for which USA will take up a fight.

There's a reason why no F35 for UAE or Saudia.
Allies who will everyday choose USA over any other nation and an attack on USA will be an attack on them.
If F35 is not available to UAE, Saudi etc., can these be potential markets for the AMCA? Who would be the potential competitors of AMCA in these markets?
 
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If F35 is not available to UAE, Saudi etc., can these be potential markets for the AMCA? Who would be the potential competitors of AMCA in these markets?
2035 is some time away. Don't plan for export of something that far away in future. You don't know if these markets will survive in the current form.
 
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If F35 is not available to UAE, Saudi etc., can these be potential markets for the AMCA? Who would be the potential competitors of AMCA in these markets?

Chinese were planning to export to them.

Lot of stealth aircraft s will be available before we get Amca inducted.