MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 44 16.4%

  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 205 76.5%

  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 5 1.9%

  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 5 1.9%

  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 10 3.7%

  • F-15EX

    Votes: 11 4.1%

  • Mig-35

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Total voters
    268
  • Poll closed .
Bon Plan said:
EF2000 has now 3 less assets versus Rafale :
-Rafale is already on duty, apparently with good results.
-DRAL is now a reality => It will take less time to built in India a first Rafale than a first EF.
-2 more squad can be ordered without the fixed cost of air base accomodation.

And, as now well known, EF is less versatile, more costly, less ranged, without an operational AESA so far.
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If it goes right into the financial bids , I'm guessing EF won't repeat their previous mistake ( they were the 2nd from lowest or L2 in the last financial bids with Dassault being the lowest or L1 ) & may possibly underbid as well . You can't be too confident about these things . Financial bids are very unpredictable to that of extent . You can't predict the outcome.
 
randomradio said:
Correction: 1999. Or 2004 specifically for MMRCA. The actual requirement goes back to the 80s.

Anyway, the wait won't be long. The tender's gonna start in the first quarter.
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Wow...did it start in Year-2004??

So, the new tender is starting in 2022.....Is that going to be another RFI??

Kejriwal is going to win in Punjab, and will start thinking he is a future PM candidate.
The shrill noise that he and his supporters (anarchists) will raise about Rafale deal is going to be on a scale never seen before in India.
Hence, I am not sure if this deal will conclude before 2024 elections.

I guess we can safely assume that our discussions keep continuing beyond 2024. Sp, french guys, please wait till after 2024.

Happy to be proved wrong.
 
jk007 said:
So, the new tender is starting in 2022.....Is that going to be another RFI??
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No. The RFI part is done. If it's under SPM, then we will see EoI, followed by RFP. If it's not, then RFP straightaway.

jk007 said:
Kejriwal is going to win in Punjab, and will start thinking he is a future PM candidate.
The shrill noise that he and his supporters (anarchists) will raise about Rafale deal is going to be on a scale never seen before in India.
Hence, I am not sure if this deal will conclude before 2024 elections.

I guess we can safely assume that our discussions keep continuing beyond 2024. Sp, french guys, please wait till after 2024.

Happy to be proved wrong.
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He's a state level player. At least 10 years away from making an impact in the Lok Sabha. In any case, a shortlist and winner will be possible only after 2024.

Assuming this year is lost to the RFP process, we will see flight testing only next year, with shortlists by the middle of 2024. Assuming a selection in early 2025, we can sign the contract by late 2025. Add a year for delays. This is the fastest possible.
 
jk007 said:
Wow...did it start in Year-2004??

So, the new tender is starting in 2022.....Is that going to be another RFI??

Kejriwal is going to win in Punjab, and will start thinking he is a future PM candidate.
The shrill noise that he and his supporters (anarchists) will raise about Rafale deal is going to be on a scale never seen before in India.
Hence, I am not sure if this deal will conclude before 2024 elections.

I guess we can safely assume that our discussions keep continuing beyond 2024. Sp, french guys, please wait till after 2024.

Happy to be proved wrong.
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You know nothing John ❄️.
IAF realised it's inability to fight effectively in high altitude through battle experience,Kargil war. They put up the proposal to ministry soon after the war. If my memory is correct,I read a news in 2001, in a news paper that India going to purchase new aircraft.

23 years has passed since 99 or after IAF's realisation on its own capabilities. How many aircrafts which are capable of doing high altitude warfare we inducted since? Only 36. Pathetic.....
 
Hydra said:
You know nothing John ❄️.
IAF realised it's inability to fight effectively in high altitude through battle experience,Kargil war. They put up the proposal to ministry soon after the war. If my memory is correct,I read a news in 2001, in a news paper that India going to purchase new aircraft.

23 years has passed since 99 or after IAF's realisation on its own capabilities. How many aircrafts which are capable of doing high altitude warfare we inducted since? Only 36. Pathetic.....
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You are referring to helicopters, not fighters.
 
jk007 said:
I come here everyday looking for good news for India (which I won't get and the cycle repeats).....but kudos , to all the French people, who come here and keep answering / participating in discussions about procurement that is goinggggggggggg oooooonnnnnnnnn from year-2006, and may never ever materialize.

Indian leaders, to save some productive from people like me, must announce if they indent to procure or shelve. This hanging in balance is a national waste of time....

End of rant.
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our patience was thank in 2015.
 
Ankit Kumar said:
MMRCA 2, P75 I.... some of the things I wish I wake up one Saturday and it's deal done. 😂
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No. You will have to experience the painful journey on a daily basis. You have been cursed to follow the news, read every article that comes out and have endless fruitless discussions on the internet until you get bored out of your mind. It's not India if we do not have a ball by ball commentary.
 
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But I thought this is 2022 & the MRFA deal was to be signed this year . Turns out the AFSQR is still being drafted . Just to rub it in , they began drafting it somewhere around December 2021 or thereabouts.

Now certain wags I know of out here will probably declare this was done deliberately by the IAF so as to render 2022 as the year monumental changes were brought about in the Defence sector including the services , manufacturing , R&D , etc . if not in the signing of the agreement then at least in the release of the document.
 
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randomradio said:
If Boeing participates with the F-15, then SH is out. Which means they have lost their only chance to win.
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Problem is the f-15 can't supercruise and lack of low RCS. Plus even if it clears the technical trials it will lose on the bids. The plane is just too expensive.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
But I thought this is 2022 & the MRFA deal was to be signed this year . Turns out the AFSQR is still being drafted . Just to rub it in , they began drafting it somewhere around December 2021 or thereabouts.

Now certain wags I know of out here will probably declare this was done deliberately by the IAF so as to render 2022 as the year monumental changes were brought about in the Defence sector including the services , manufacturing , R&D , etc . if not in the signing of the agreement then at least in the release of the document.
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MRFA if fructifies will be delivering aircrafts in the similar timeframe like that of Tejas MK2.
 
Lolwa said:
Problem is the f-15 can't supercruise and lack of low RCS. Plus even if it clears the technical trials it will lose on the bids. The plane is just too expensive.
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The problem is the F-15EX is simply another MKI, which is why I think Shukla is spinning tales as usual. But Boeing may not be able to sustain the SH line for long without German or IN orders. And with the US starting to prove their unreliability, the IN may end up with the Rafale.
 
randomradio said:
The problem is the F-15EX is simply another MKI, which is why I think Shukla is spinning tales as usual. But Boeing may not be able to sustain the SH line for long without German or IN orders. And with the US starting to prove their unreliability, the IN may end up with the Rafale.
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Eh Eh ...
What about the Navy?
 
Ankit Kumar said:
MRFA if fructifies will be delivering aircrafts in the similar timeframe like that of Tejas MK2.
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I'm more inclined to believe it will be a bit faster than the Mk2.

With imports the IAF can choose to import the follow-on options in parallel, whereas with Mk2, they can ask for an Mk2A as part of the options, which can take longer. Assuming serial inductions begin in 2030 at 12 a year for Rafale and 16 a year for Mk2, options can double the Rafale to 24 by 2033-34 while the Mk2 stays at 16.

So we could see Rafale production ending by 2039 while Mk2 can go on until 2042. The reason being the alternative will take too long, all the way up to 2045, which would complicate matters with AMCA considering Rafale production would continue even after AMCA has ended and that would be undesirable for business and political reasons.
 
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