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What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 29 12.7%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 180 78.6%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.6%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 10 4.4%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 8 3.5%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    229
Indonesia bought f15 recently at very big prices > 250m per jet, almost ridiculous given they used to buy Rus stuff.
 
Qatar paid $12B for 36 older F-15s compared to $9B for 36 Rafales.

The F-15 is in the MKI class, so you are paying a lot more for operations. Older airframe means more maintenance, it needs more fuel to fly the same distance, more downtime etc.
Maybe the order was with more armaments, training,etc.
 
Why should our air force buy Eagle II when we already are top heavy with over 250 MKIs? And MKI is anyday better than Eagle. Just AESA radar and EPAWSS won't make it better.

Rafale is by far the best option for us.
 
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Indonesia bought f15 recently
Did they, really? Prabowo Subianto is going to the USA to finalize a contract. However, even if the contract is signed, it's only going to be active once the first down payment is sent. And so you will have to watch the Indonesian budget. They'll have to borrow money to pay this first installment, so there'll be a bill to authorize borrowing that money (they call those PSP, Penetapan Sumber Pembiayaan, which means "determination of financing sources"), and that can take a while. For example, for the Rafale it went relatively fast, as the contract was signed on 10th of February and the first down payment was paid on the 20th of September. But for another example, for the FREMM, the contract was signed on the 10th of June 2021, and the first down payment... is not paid yet. Contract signed but still not active.

It's also important to remember that the Defense Minister, Prabowo Subianto, and the President, Joko Widodo, are political opponents. This makes things interesting.
 
And MKI is anyday better than Eagle.
Just AESA radar and EPAWSS won't make it better.
What?
AESA + EPAWSS certainly makes F-15 much better than Su-30MKI.

BTW, I still don't Know why MOD( and DA ??) dragged negotiations for so long, then cancelled the tender and went For only 36 rafales through G2G route.
Even if DA jacked up prices during negotiations, We should have went for it, given that Rafael Still provides best capability per unit price as compared to Typhoon.
 
What?
AESA + EPAWSS certainly makes F-15 much better than Su-30MKI.

BTW, I still don't Know why MOD( and DA ??) dragged negotiations for so long, then cancelled the tender and went For only 36 rafales through G2G route.
Even if DA jacked up prices during negotiations, We should have went for it, given that Rafael Still provides best capability per unit price as compared to Typhoon.
Indonesia – F-15ID Aircraft | Defense Security Cooperation Agency
The F-15EX is too expensive. In February of this year, the United States offered Indonesia $13.9 billion to sell 36 F-15EXs. That's about $386 million per F-15EX. The surprising thing is that the armament is "sold separately". India has already paid a huge upfront cost for Rafale. If India had $13.9 billion, it would be better to buy 100 Rafales for that amount. Depends on the weight of the option, but that's enough for that amount. Take a look at the price per Rafale offered by France to India in the early days of the MMRCA. Currently, India should focus on minimizing options per fighter and securing as many fighters as possible. You can secure as many fighters as possible and upgrade the lack of options to additional businesses. Once large quantities are secured, the Ministry of Defense and Finance of India will have no choice but to pass this budget. From a third party's point of view, India prefers full options too much.
 
Did they, really? Prabowo Subianto is going to the USA to finalize a contract. However, even if the contract is signed, it's only going to be active once the first down payment is sent. And so you will have to watch the Indonesian budget. They'll have to borrow money to pay this first installment, so there'll be a bill to authorize borrowing that money (they call those PSP, Penetapan Sumber Pembiayaan, which means "determination of financing sources"), and that can take a while. For example, for the Rafale it went relatively fast, as the contract was signed on 10th of February and the first down payment was paid on the 20th of September. But for another example, for the FREMM, the contract was signed on the 10th of June 2021, and the first down payment... is not paid yet. Contract signed but still not active.

It's also important to remember that the Defense Minister, Prabowo Subianto, and the President, Joko Widodo, are political opponents. This makes things interesting.

They are definitely gonna balk at the price. They should buy something else from the US instead.
 
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They are definitely gonna balk at the price. They should buy something else from the US instead.
The superhornets would be a better buy considering the lower RCS.
Highly Overpriced and Not fulfill our Required needs.
I want them to replace our jaguars, mig 23 and mig 27 for CAS, DPS and stand off role. The f-15EX has a payload of around 10-14 tons. Imagine the amount of munitions it can carry. The f-15 can act as a pseudo bomber and brahmos ng and brahmos A can be later integrated too on it.
The flankers are also required but they should be for air superiority and air defence. Similar the Rafale is required. And the tejas mk1 and mk2 is required to replace the rest of mig21,mig 29 and mirage.
 
Mk2 is due to replace the jags & mig 23/27 class. Any jet we buy from foreign usually form own force multiplier. replacements will b domestic made.
Once the light & medium weight class planes are made successfully, heavy planes like Su30 will also need replacement post 2050 & possibly new projects will spring up. Gradual learning from current projects with our usual delay ridden timeline, we roll with it anyway.
 
Mk2 is due to replace the jags & mig 23/27 class. Any jet we buy from foreign usually form own force multiplier. replacements will b domestic made.
Once the light & medium weight class planes are made successfully, heavy planes like Su30 will also need replacement post 2050 & possibly new projects will spring up. Gradual learning from current projects with our usual delay ridden timeline, we roll with it anyway.
As much as people want this to happen. I don't think mk2 or mk1 can truly replace the jaguar/mig23/mig 27. Although the mk1 itself is superior to all the three but it doesn't do the role of ground strike fighter as well as the f-15EX does.