Is history actually written by victors ?

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Who were at side of dharma? The one who put women as a bet? Or the one who send there son to die to save their own asses?
Yudhishthir lost himself as bet and hence had no option but to comply with the instructions of his masters. He was ordered to place draupadi as bet.
 

Kshithij Sharma

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I am not talking of Abhimanyu, but Ghatotkashk son of Bhim who was sent to be killed by Amoghsakti of Karna to save Arjun.

A war between adharmi and more adharmi can not be term as dharm yudh. Its called a slug fest.
Gatothkatch was called for adharma yuddha. He was not purposefully sent to death to save Arjuna. It just happened that Ghatotkatch was extraordinarily powerful and the kauravas were compelled
 

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Yudhishthir lost himself as bet and hence had no option but to comply with the instructions of his masters. He was ordered to place draupadi as bet.
Its made up story, quote me from Mahabharat who ordered it. He put himself and his brothers as a bet with a free will.

Why worry about vastra haran of Draupadi then when its dharm to follow adharmic instructions of your masters? However later on they were ready to kill their "pujya" for sake of "dharma".
 

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Do you understand that Pandavas and Kauravas grew together? Pandu had a disease and hence sent his wife to someone else to get impregnated.

The real war of Mahabharatha did not happen because of property division. Pandavas had accepted their defeat in the game of dice. It was the Draupadi's Vastra-arohana that started all this.

So, don't mistake Mahabharatha to be a property dispute or as an invasion. Pandu and Dhritharashtra grew in the same household and their children also studied together under Drona-Acharya
Do you understand, Sir, that the Pandavas and Kauravas are mythical characters, and have nothing to do with history? Or are we condemned to live with your idiosynicratic decisions on every science and every discipline?

Why are you wasting our time on pontifications on fictional narratives?
 

bonobashi

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It would be great if stop posting these unrelated posts.. What I suggest you that you open a thread on this in members section and we will discuss it there.

Now would you like to return to the topic.
Well, yes, and no.

Why do want to shift effusions of great quantities of water vapour from one thread to another? Is this a forum or a heat exchanger?
 

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Do you understand, Sir, that the Pandavas and Kauravas are mythical characters, and have nothing to do with history? Or are we condemned to live with your idiosynicratic decisions on every science and every discipline?

Why are you wasting our time on pontifications on fictional narratives?
What makes it a made up story? Because you don't like it?
Its made up story, quote me from Mahabharat who ordered it. He put himself and his brothers as a bet with a free will.

Why worry about vastra haran of Draupadi then when its dharm to follow adharmic instructions of your masters? However later on they were ready to kill their "pujya" for sake of "dharma".
Who told you it was dharma to keep Draupadi on the bet? Did Yudhishtira say so? Who told you that Draupadi could not reject it by declaring that Yudhishtira doesn't own her? These were mistakes and that is why war happened.

War was not fought over dharma but as a means to settle the differences. No one was forced to fight and th war was fought as a kshatriya fighting another to settle the scores. The war was not fought for establishing dharma everywhere. You have been deluded if you make such claims. Stick to what is written, not your imagination.

Dharma was used in a relative term, not as a universal term here
 

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Gatothkatch was called for adharma yuddha. He was not purposefully sent to death to save Arjuna. It just happened that Ghatotkatch was extraordinarily powerful and the kauravas were compelled
Read real Mahabharata. Do you understand why he was sent in night to wage war on kauravas camp? Though there was a rule of cease fire after sun set.

Who told you it was dharma to keep Draupadi on the bet? Did Yudhishtira say so?
You have very weak comprehension for an IITian. Read my post again and the context. In fact I meant opposite.
 

bonobashi

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What makes it a made up story? Because you don't like it?
No. Because it is nothing else. There is no other evidence except its own existence to prove that it had any links to real events.

Who told you it was dharma to keep Draupadi on the bet? Did Yudhishtira say so? Who told you that Draupadi could not reject it by declaring that Yudhishtira doesn't own her? These were mistakes and that is why war happened.

War was not fought over dharma but as a means to settle the differences. No one was forced to fight and th war was fought as a kshatriya fighting another to settle the scores. The war was not fought for establishing dharma everywhere. You have been deluded if you make such claims. Stick to what is written, not your imagination.

Dharma was used in a relative term, not as a universal term here
 

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No. Because it is nothing else. There is no other evidence except its own existence to prove that it had any links to real events.
It says certain other things too- it says the world map. Vyasa tells the description of the world to blind Dhritharashtra- world has 2 phases as seen from chandramandala. In one phase it is set of peepal leaves and in other it is a rabbit.

Peepal leaves- Americas, Rabbit- Eurasia-Africa-Australia. See it below. It also has descriptions of several geographical sites, regions etc. It can be a myth but need not be either. Just because evidence has been destroyed over time doesn't make it a myth

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It says certain other things too- it says the world map. Vyasa tells the description of the world to blind Dhritharashtra- world has 2 phases as seen from chandramandala. In one phase it is set of peepal leaves and in other it is a rabbit.

Peepal leaves- Americas, Rabbit- Eurasia-Africa-Australia. See it below. It also has descriptions of several geographical sites, regions etc. It can be a myth but need not be either. Just because evidence has been destroyed over time doesn't make it a myth

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It is pathetic that these utterly unrealistic flights of fancy are allowed in here to waste everybody's time. Peepul leaves and rabbits?

This forum seems to be suffering from all the vices of Older Forum.
 

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It is pathetic that these utterly unrealistic flights of fancy are allowed in here to waste everybody's time. Peepul leaves and rabbits?

This forum seems to be suffering from all the vices of Older Forum.
Isn't it a fact? How else do you describe to a blind man? You are the one who must leave. You don't even give reasons or evidence of what is wrong here
 
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bonobashi

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Isn't it a fact? How else do you describe to a blind man? You are the one who must leave. You don't even give reasons or evidence of what is wrong here
No, it isn't a fact. There is no evidence that the writers of the Mahabharata knew anything about global geography. Giving reasons or evidence for fundamental things, for instance, for your utterly half-baked ideas about the Quran and its teachings, really will not serve any purpose. I don't see the point of these fundamental discussions. We really need to leave this rubbish behind us and go into the real world.

And, of course, typically for you, we are asked to accept as absolute truth that the blind king existed, that he had to be instructed on geography, and that geography consisting of fanciful objects.
 

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No, it isn't a fact. There is no evidence that the writers of the Mahabharata knew anything about global geography. Giving reasons or evidence for fundamental things, for instance, for your utterly half-baked ideas about the Quran and its teachings, really will not serve any purpose. I don't see the point of these fundamental discussions. We really need to leave this rubbish behind us and go into the real world.
This is written in Mahabharatha. It is not edited recently. These people came to know of world map only in the last 300 years. Mahabharatha had it written much before. So, it is a fact, not fiction.

I am not speaking of Quran here as this is a thread of history being written by victors. Quran is revelation, not history
 
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bonobashi

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This is written in Mahabharatha. It is not edited recently. These people came to know of world map only in the last 300 years. Mahabharatha had it written much before. So, it is a fact, not fiction.

I am not speaking of Quran here as this is a thread of history being written by victors. Quran is revelation, not history
The Mahabharata had nothing, no map, only conceptual models of spheres that served for a geographical model. Nothing of the different parts of the world was present. The Mahabharata never spoke of any distant locations. Just saying that it did is of no consequence.
 

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The Mahabharata had nothing, no map, only conceptual models of spheres that served for a geographical model. Nothing of the different parts of the world was present. The Mahabharata never spoke of any distant locations. Just saying that it did is of no consequence.
I quoted from mahabharatha itself.

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shashi mean rabbit while pippalastatra means peepal leaves and dwiranshe means 2. It is in bhishma parva part.
 

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Please discuss your heart out here.. But refrain from any religious BS..

We overall discourage religious debates and off topic religious posts or posts which includes religious point of view are not appreciated.

This is history you all can find enough to discuss without making controversy.

Regards.
In Israel, in Arab, in there language. They call people from India as "Hind".
Religious BS in which sense? Geographical sense? In muslim country, Afghanistan, there is a place called as Hindu Kush. The definition is
Although the derivation is only a possible one, some authors have proposed the meaning "Kills the Hindu" for "Hindu Kush", a derivation that is reproduced in Encyclopedia Americana which says that the name Hindu Kush means "kills theHindu" and is a reminder of the days when Indian slaves from the Indian subcontinent
That is religious BS too? Or are you suggesting we should stop learning geography and history. Because that is religious BS?
Some 150 years ago, there was no word Hindu. That was required for bureaucratic purposes. That is religious BS too?
 
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Pandavas were evil. :p

Kauravas were right !!
Actually, Duryodhana was called Suyodhana the good one, it was his Mamaji Shakuni who scripted the whole thing as retaliation for Duryodhana enslaving Gandhara kings and putting them to death in penal colony It was Afghanistan which was Gandharis place of birth.
 

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The Mahabharata had nothing, no map, only conceptual models of spheres that served for a geographical model. Nothing of the different parts of the world was present. The Mahabharata never spoke of any distant locations. Just saying that it did is of no consequence.
It described all kings and allies who took part in war, even the South Indian kings of Andhra Pradesh, Even Patala ,South america was described , QuetzalCoatl is a reptilian god Incas,aztecs prayed to, You need to read 'popul vuh' Your world starts 3-2000 yrs ago, our world starts lakhs of years ago.
Hindu units of time - Wikipedia

Your maculay missionary education doesn't mean our scriptures are wrong, let me ask how does canonisation happen, red sea parting, immaculate conception, rise from dead happen?. It would be better if you stuck to your Evangelism propaganda that 'we Dharmics got enlightenment only after YOU ABRAHAMICS came ' instead of ridiculing our Dharmic faith,
"We are intolerant Hindus " remember. ;)
 
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