I agree to a certain extent. However, the DGCA has been overly lenient with the Indigo management when it comes to enforcement. Has the govt. filed cases when it comes to such incidents? This is not the first incident when the airline has been seen flouting the norms when it comes to air operation guidelines.
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Probably. Sometimes people fail to see the grand visions for 2047 when they face a hostile present. But maybe, you're right and a lot of the people who're intelligent enough to criticise the government for crumbling services are not intelligent enough to grasp the true essence of their grand vision.
Sure. Maybe everyone should stop criticizing Nehru as well since he maintained political stability in India when most post-colonial states devolved into civil wars, military coups and deep division. Or Indira Gandhi's emergency for that matter, since she maintained some degree of stability here while South Asia went up in flames towards 1976.
If the grand vision for this country is to just avoid having what's happened in Bangladesh, Nepal or Sri Lanka, maybe the government should stop with the vishwaguru shtick. The supreme leader should just stick to - "live like cockroaches and be thankful you get to live at all" - in his political speeches.
Its bizarre - bad roads, bad schools, pathetic colleges, morgues masquerading as hospitals - all of it is fine because, well, the rest of the neighborhood is a hopeless mess.
Probably. Or probably not. But its again bizarre to ask someone to be happy with the decrepit systems in place just because there's a potential of things worsening if heaven's forbid someone questions the people in power for more immediate solutions.
Its like, it seems there's some grand vision here that's contingent on a government not funding education in what's already a very skill-lacking country. Or healthcare in a country where infants are chewed upon by rats in government hospitals. Not to mention, defense, where R&D and procurement are a unstructured mess.
Yeah, well, might as well be - "may you live".
Probably.
Well, hopefully that's not everyone anti-national enough to expect the government to stick to some of what it itself says its supposed to do. While the actual maoists, and hmm supporters exist, and are regularly dealt with by the police, there's a lot of people who couldn't give a *censored* about those three and just expect a livable city, and basic government services.
Eitherway, if convenient, feel free to dismiss these as the uninformed rants of a frustrated guy. Sincere apologies for any affected parties.
Going forward, will focus on my main domains, i.e. Korean military developments (among the more accurate guys here), and Russian economic developments (well, that's difficult, given that the Russians have scrambled up their fin min and stats websites).
Crumbling civic services like bad roads , water supply , sanitation , etc are the function of local bodies. We haven't devolved power sufficiently .
Foot in the mouth MSA probably did the only good thing ever in his life by championing the Panchayati Raj Bill which faced tremendous opposition from politicians across the board & bureaucrats. Result - by the time it was passed it was way too diluted & even that didn't get implemented.
FYI even China has more devolution of power as compared to India & the former is yet a highly centralised state.
This isn't the fault of any one single administration . All parties are complicit. This is where pAAP came in like a breath of fresh air which held great promise for better governance of urban areas & promptly broke wind & indulged in open defecation all around once they were elected.
That doesn't mean they didn't do good work but they were a one trick pony. Throw money at the electorate thru freebies & get elected was their mantra & like all electoral gimmicks it had its shelf life.
Understand the difference between national , state level & local issues. I'm sure you're better than that. Are you ?
They're dead & gone . They've left a legacy , right or wrong which we must live with. Better the right if you can or continue with it & correct the wrong.
That vishwaguru shtick started with Nehru taking the lead in championing the cause of colonised countries , newly independent countries , non alignment etc .
There's a functional utility to such posturing if you're perceptive enough to recognise & understand it & the projection of it to a domestic audience.
Every leader since Nehru has indulged in variations of it or is this the first time you're reading something like this.
Would you prefer residing in any of the neighbouring countries instead from Afghanistan in a counter clockwise direction to China ?
Once again learn the difference between civic issues which are local issues vis a vis state & national issues.
Answered this above. You're coming across like a stuck record.
Are you familiar with the education system in Japan or even Germany to an extent ? In Japan it's structured in such a manner that only the top 10% get qualified to study in premier academic institutions . The rest don't matter .
However qualified you may be , if you aren't a product of those elite institutions you're a wanna be who'd soon end up as a has been.
See it as a glass ceiling or a caste system where there are limits to the professions you can opt for & the trajectory of your growth.
Besides what are we going to do with a 100% literate population ? Do you think we've that many jobs going around ? Or do you want additional chaos to what's present ?
China's near cent percentage literacy & the last time they published unemployment data a few years ago the figure for unemployment for ages 18-39 IIRC was some 15% . Since then they've stopped releasing regular data & the data they release isn't considered trustworthy.
Even then not all those who were employed in China had jobs commensurate with their qualifications. A lot of them worked gig jobs and I'm referring to MBAs here.
Once again I gave you more credit than is due.
Civic & state issues mostly.
Yes & we'd likely pay a heavy price for it in the near future. That's how we are wired. We never learn anything from our past nor forget anything.
Life's unfair in case you just stepped.out of your teens & entered adulthood. That's just the way it is . Be grateful for what you have for what's coming is something I may have an inkling about but you've no idea whatsoever.
The best part is I'd be gone in the next 25 years but you'd be around for you're at an age where you've more of future than the past . Mine is the other way around.
You'd have plenty of time to ruminate on what was , what is & what will be then. Trust your analysis will be less angst prone or certainly less passive aggressive & more nuanced as well as mature.
For the final time, education and healthcare are concurrent list subjects and there's nothing preventing Mr. Modi from investing more in these. Anyway,
Roads - National highways are built by the central government, and they're getting wasted every 6 months, for roads with a lifetime of 15-25 years.
Aviation - Airports are being opened in places with zero demand, and are shutting down as fast as new ones are getting inaugurated.
Schools -
KVs and JNVs are in an absolute mess, and they come under the GoI's Ministry of Education, and are chaired by Mr. Dharmendra Pradhan. Budget cuts, no significant infrastructure, non-existent labs, and clueless teachers.
The government is busy revising history textbooks, and introducing ayurveda into curriculums. The NEP was a start, but they needed to do a lot more, and they're not really interested in that. Go to any central government run school, most of the equipment in the labs don't even work.
Colleges -
All IITs come under the central government. Hope you've visited one, you'll understand this better. These have obsolete labs, few advanced equipment, curriculums with little resonance with current industry practices. The research grants have been reduced, and while seats have increased in recent years, budgets have either stagnated or grown insipidly. Which means further degradation in the quality of education and infrastructure.
That's only the IITs, the less you talk about NITs, the better. At this point, even NIT Trichy, Warangal and Rourkela are getting hollowed out.
The only good non-engineering science colleges are IISc and some IISERs, out of which IISERs are seeing budget cuts.
As for humanities, economics, and social sciences, there's a few colleges under DU, and that's it. At one point, there used to be JNU, now its just a hotbed of idiotic nonsense.
You want to study management? Get into the 6 old IIMs (or maybe if you're desperate, add Shillong). That's it. Even within these 6, Lucknow and Indore are stagnating.
You might want to study in private then?
The only good private college for engineering is BITS Pilani, with only 1087 seats for BE (Hons) per batch, for roughly 5 lakh students appearing in BITSAT (and there's no reservation).
You want a good non-tech job? The only non BLACKI IIM options you have are ISB and SP Jain. They total to about 1200 seats. Add the BLACKI IIMs, you have an additional 2500-2800 seats.
Like, how much more elite are we talking about here?
This is literally the elite of your academic elites, the 0.1% of your students, and even here, its the same story - budget cuts, outdated labs, no alignment with industry requirements due to a lack of equipment, etc.
And except for the top 3-4 IIMs, top 5 IITs, and BITS (which is privately owned by Birla), even the rest of the so-called elites can't guarantee you a semi-decent job.
Heck, except for the top IIMS, even the top IITs and BITS are struggling a lot these days with core placements, mainly because they don't have equipment, and therefore adequate courses for their students based on industry requirements.
Simple example, a pretty big civil engineering firm came to college, with a 34 LPA package (they were offering more than BCG, for comparison), for 9 roles. Turns out they wanted students to be familiar with LiDAR, GNSS and total stations. Of these three, the college had demonstrated only total stations to its students over one semester.
The only core placements that year were Schlumberger in civil, Bosch and Mercedes-Benz in mech, and Qualcomm, Nvidia and AMD in EEE/ECE/ENI. The majority of the placements? They go to the tech sector, because the students don't rely upon the college to develop the necessary skills here.
(source: literally graduated from one the elite engineering colleges mentioned above)
Its like, you keep mentioning about education. Yes, it is a concurrent subject, but the central government can make a big change here, especially in higher education. Do they do that? No, they don't. Will the situation improve with more funding? Yes. Is the central government doing that? No.
Dismiss this if you want, but mark this - you will suffer, and suffer badly, in the next 10 years, if you continue with the shit quality of STEM education you provide. And yeah, for sure, blame the states as well, but the fact is that even your best colleges, which happen to be under the union government, are getting *censored*ed.
The point here is, you're wasting away even the literal 1%, or 5% of your literate population. Many of them move abroad, many of them go for MBAs and then, consulting/finance, and most of them remain in tech. And then you wonder why the country's core engineering sector isn't commensurate with its economic size.
Yeah, everyone makes mistakes.
Well, at this point, every party in power in any state in India can claim to have done a stellar job in governance, but no part of India is worse than most of the neighborhood.
But again, is it that tone deaf to expect better colleges and services from the government just because the rest of the neighborhood is up in flames? Its like, congratulating someone for getting a C just because the guys in the neighborhood got F.
And that won't just be in defense. The same story will repeat in engineering, and therefore, industry. And one of the main causes of that will be the lack of investment in higher education institutes run by the central government (and of course, the state governments).
Yeah, know that, been through that, come out better off.
Yeah, exactly, this is literally what the post you replied to says - "live like cockroaches, and be grateful to live at all". Where's the disagreement here?
Remains to be seen.
Yes they are but didn't you recall this bit when you were criticising the central government for the state of education & health in the country in earlier posts ?
Modi seems to be taking a leaf from the China playbook in this regard. They went in for breakneck speed infrastructure building even where it wasn't needed just to add to the GDP figures.
Modi's following suit except China has a war chest from exports to the world to cater to this frenzied build up . We don't . Even so China's racked up massive debts.
Typically when you indulge in this kind of activity at such a scorching pace there are leakages , incompetence , corruption , excesses etc. Gadkari himself though a shady operator is a very capable administrator like Fadnavis himself another shady operator.
However the system which went underground when Modi won his first term is now back with a vengeance to make up for lost time & if there's one organ of the state which has proved impossible to tame apart from the judiciary it's the bureaucracy.
At this point Modi's given up. You can see it in the many examples you yourself have cited apart from various other instances others regular watchers of the government can discern from years of experience.
Not sure whether I posted this here or in the other forum upon BJP's upset win against their clarion call for 400 seats that the people have spoken . It's time for Modi & Doval to make way for a new generation ASAP.
Him going to the polls in 2029 will be a liability for he'd be carrying the weight of 3 terms of anti incumbency with him. Then again the next elections are > 3 yrs away.
With the way global politics is poised the only thing certain is massive uncertainty with the way the world order is unravelling.
I don't see anybody else on the horizon with the kind of leadership skills charisma sagacity & experience apart from Modi to see us thru this transition period . One false move & we'd have hell to pay .
You started out with healthcare & education & are getting into specifics now.
Are you aware of the kind of subsidies involved in running these institutions especially the IITs ? When was the last time the fees were hiked ?
I'm not in opposition to what you're trying to convey just that this government is laser focussed on infrastructure development to the detriment of all other sectors including defence & internal security which is much more vital today given the dangerous neighborhood we're in. And the situation around us is getting progressively worse.
Humanities ought to be shut down . Useless buggers have ruined the west with their shenanigans & are hell bent on replicating the same in India.
Up until the time we don't develop faculties which sees issues with Indic lens we'd keep supporting a parasitic ideology which eventually ends up devouring the host like it's happening in many parts of the world essentially the west.
Don't IIMs enjoy considerable autonomy not just in operations but also fee structure ? What's the GoI got to do here ?
IITs may get autonomy on lines of IIMs
The HRD ministry will discuss a new model of student, institutional financing with representatives of all the 23 IITs at the council meeting in New Delhi on Friday.IITs will also be allowed to choose their board of governors, including the chairman, with little interference from the govt
www.livemint.com
Yes we will. GoI isn't focussed on these issues. Nor are they in a position to stem the brain drain when the US is literally gifting the opportunity to us on a platter.
Where do you want me to begin ? With the SSC pass dhotis or the BA Hons in Eng Lit Babooodumb ? Where China's top leadership comes from a STEM background exclusively & the humanities scum have little to no presence there as compared to our leadership & bureaucracy which in turn is reflected in policy framing & outcomes including in the sectors you've outlined.
These systemic problems aren't going away . If anything they're here to stay for some time. In order to change things you require 400 paar. Since that opportunity was missed not likely to return in a long time we can hope for incremental reforms if at all in the aforementioned institutions before heading to academic & other such institutions you may or may not have mentioned.
Yes as I pointed out before we're in no position to capitalise on the lollipop Trump's thrown us or the economic downturn in the EU.
For that we'd have to see the aforementioned parties along with China sink considerably while hoping we stay intact. Such an opportunity will present itself next decade. Let's wait & watch to see how the situation unfolds .
Sometimes a sound kick up the rear does the trick like it did yours.
Unfortunately however much you hate it , that's the equation you've to deal with as of now. I can't even say the future will be better when I know for a fact it won't be so for a completely different set of reasons not the kind you're thinking of.
You sound bitter whereas I'm treating it as a matter of fact. That's the difference. Perhaps a few more years & you'd understand what I'm talking about.
I don't see any budget cuts for Kendriya Vidyalaya though as far as I could dig. Infact apparently budget allocation for KVs have gone up by 36% or so over the year.
www.bizzbuzz.news
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They are also opening 57 new KVs.
What government says:
One thing I have to agree though, the quality of teachers in KVs have declined. As well as lack of modern equipment is a problem.
Kendriya Vidyalayas See Sharp Decline in Admissions Even as Funding Jumps 36%
KV enrolments fall 28% in four years as quotas are cut and class size caps enforced. Govt reveals data in Lok Sabha.
Kendriya Vidyalayas See Sharp Decline in Admissions Even as Funding Jumps 36%
KV enrolments fall 28% in four years as quotas are cut and class size caps enforced. Govt reveals data in Lok Sabha.
Union Budget 2025: Education gets better Budget allocation, more money for IITs, central universities
Union Budget 2025: Union Budget 2025-26 boosts education funding, introduces Bharatiya Bhasha Pustak Scheme, and focuses on AI and infrastructure development.
They are also opening 57 new KVs.
What government says:
One thing I have to agree though, the quality of teachers in KVs have declined. As well as lack of modern equipment is a problem.
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Seems the management pulled a fast one on the DGCA babus. They banked on the fact that they held a majority share in the market. Civil Aviation minister is busy containing the fallout. Another chap who cannot fully control his own people. Usual stuff - incompetence and lackadaisical performance. Apparently there were pilots who were already saying that the airline is in no mood to comply with the directives.
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The steps taken by govt. and the response by the minister so far. Mostly comments and further inquiry.
Interesting how things played out in this case. The GoI ended up cutting a percentage of flights for the airline.
Flight operations at major airports across the country are gradually returning to normal after days of disruption caused by the IndiGo crisis. IndiGo CEO Pieter Elbers was summoned by the Ministry of Civil Aviation and met with Civil Aviation Minister Ram Mohan Naidu and Secretary Sameer Sinha for a detailed review of the situation.According to sources, the meeting focused on restoring smooth airline operations. IndiGo has issued a statement confirming that it operated more than 1,800 flights yesterday and plans to operate around 1,900 flights today. The airline has also claimed that its on-time performance has returned to normal levels.
Flight operations at major airports across the country are gradually returning to normal after days of disruption caused by the IndiGo crisis. IndiGo CEO Pieter Elbers was summoned by the Ministry of Civil Aviation and met with Civil Aviation Minister Ram Mohan Naidu and Secretary Sameer Sinha for a detailed review of the situation.According to sources, the meeting focused on restoring smooth airline operations. IndiGo has issued a statement confirming that it operated more than 1,800 flights yesterday and plans to operate around 1,900 flights today. The airline has also claimed that its on-time performance has returned to normal levels.
Yesterday, Pakistani accounts were running a narrative that the father and son attacker duo of the Bondi Beach terror incident were of India and Italian origin. After a video of their neighbor saying he was Indian was circulating around. They were also aided by CNN-News 18, who ran the broadcast saying South Asian origin of the attacker was in focus. And that Australian authorities were in touch with India. Today, Pakistanis have got new ammunition. It has emerged the Father traveled to Philippines on an Indian passport. With Bloomberg jumping gun and calling him an Indian National.
If there were any sitting on the fence regarding the disinformation/misinformation campaign out of Pakistan, do have look at X. Not surprising that Bloomberg jumped into this by posting this report. I think it is time for the GoI to sue certain outlets within India and abroad. DJT has already done so by sending notices to a few outlets and even dragged a couple to court.
Additionally, the MEA should at least present a press note on whether this is a fact or not. The 'glacial' speed of the fact check account is really something to ponder. The clarity would put all this online hoopla to rest. If he has used a fake passport state that in a note, what's the harm in being quick about doing such things.
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Don't know which sources they are relying on. I still have doubts on this. It is very easy Pakistanis and Bangladeshis to obtain fake passports or real ones using fake documentation. Few months ago there tweet which had gone viral. One Indian man who had gone to Malaysia on a tourist visit said, a Pakistani guy working in the same hotel he was saying was using Indian accent of Hindi, I believe. Claiming to be Indian and had an Indian passport.Till a small slip gave him away.For some reason the tourist did not file a complaint to the Malaysian authorities, if I remember correctly
I had read about this as well. The printing and usage of fake Indian passports is still an issue that needs to be addressed. Coming to the second point, WB and Nepal continue to be borders that are exploited by both BD and Pakistan. The GoI did not take this issue seriously till the blast in Delhi happened. The govt. can no longer blame previous administrations for not doing enough.
Bangladeshi national held in Chennai for obtaining Indian passport using fake documents
Bangladeshi national arrested in Chennai for attempting to travel on a fake Indian passport obtained with forged documents.
Investigations revealed that the detained passenger was Uttam Kumar, 25, of Bangladesh, who had illegally entered India in 2015 and had been residing in West Bengal. There, he allegedly created fake documents — including Aadhaar card, voter ID, and other Indian identification documents — under the name Uttam Uraw. Using these forged documents, he obtained a fake Indian passport and was attempting to travel to Abu Dhabi.
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In a development likely to raise a political storm in poll-bound West Bengal, a total of 58 lakh names have been deleted from the state's draft voter list after the Special Intensive Revision to weed out duplication and errors. Out of these 58 lakh names, 24 lakh have been marked as "dead", 19 lakh as "relocated", 12 lakh as "missing", and 1.3 lakh as "duplicate".
I had read about this as well. Even if I were to discard such cases, the printing and usage of fake Indian passports is still an issue that needs to be addressed. Coming to the second point, WB and Nepal continue to be borders that are exploited by both BD and Pakistan. The GoI does did not take this issue seriously till the blast in Delhi happened. The govt. can no longer blame previous administrations for not doing enough.
Bangladeshi national held in Chennai for obtaining Indian passport using fake documents
Bangladeshi national arrested in Chennai for attempting to travel on a fake Indian passport obtained with forged documents.
Investigations revealed that the detained passenger was Uttam Kumar, 25, of Bangladesh, who had illegally entered India in 2015 and had been residing in West Bengal. There, he allegedly created fake documents — including Aadhaar card, voter ID, and other Indian identification documents — under the name Uttam Uraw. Using these forged documents, he obtained a fake Indian passport and was attempting to travel to Abu Dhabi.
If indian left supports this narrative, they will be doing a self goal lmao.
Two things, of he turns out to be pak national/ illegal immigrants with fake indian passport, NRC drive will get more necessity. And this time, they can try publishing narrative thru western outlets all they want, but it's the west that suffered.
2) If he turns out to be indian national with valid indian passport, tracing to radicalisation network.. it simply makes GOIs stand stronger in international arena, paving way for institutional strengthening of intelligence agencies and inter-agency coordination to dismantle the funding network.
3) Pak will be a big time loser either way. If it makes any statement saying indian terrorists, they likely risk alienating their symphatisers this side of the border for throwing them under the bus.
Iirc, whole world is seeing increase in similar instances too. The only difference is that these terrorists were trained and had ammunitions.
But wether it's Christmas/hanukah in Europe or hindu festival in India.. a set of people have been resorting to violence ( stone pelting, glass bottles etc. the delhi riot SOP) No festival goes by without interference. European countries now deploy dedicated security mechanisms during their celebration/festivals to protect against attacks like car ramming into market.
The undercurrent is very strong against them. And while left tries to keep shielding their vote bank and qatar funding, it will erupt with greater force. Right now, it's nothing. That includes USA.
Bondi beach shooter moved to Australia from Hyderabad in 1998, son Australian citizen by birth
Australian authorities sought details from India about the 'terrorist' duo. Sajid travelled to India at least thrice in 27 yrs, it is learnt. He was shot dead. Son Naveed taken to hospital.
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So this guy was Indian yet his son went to Pakistan for education ? Or was it someone else ?
Apparently, another person named Naveed Akram from Pakistan was being accused of being this Naveed.
Theres info warfare going on right now. Lots of AI generated clips and videos. Bloomberg ran with a doctored video as it's source. Edited it later. But others are running with false version still.Bondi beach shooter moved to Australia from Hyderabad in 1998, son Australian citizen by birth
Australian authorities sought details from India about the 'terrorist' duo. Sajid travelled to India at least thrice in 27 yrs, it is learnt. He was shot dead. Son Naveed taken to hospital.
So this guy was Indian yet his son went to Pakistan for education ? Or was it someone else ?
Apparently, another person named Naveed Akram from Pakistan was being accused of being this Naveed.
So, probably time to rely on official sources only. i.e. GOI and Australia Govt.
Let's learn from op sindoor. Reject such claims unless verified by govts and agencies. Govt fact checkers will do their thing. But we also have some responsibility to be cynical about any claims ( without clear govt agency statement) and be safe from propaganda at individual level.
As I said, any link to India is detrimental to white collar network. Remember the five eyes vs RAW in khalistani case. Well well well.. Actions → Consequences.