over one hundred thousand would have been the fatality if there was no lock down. Well it's still early to say, government was buying time, now they seem better prepared.
Sorry I don't understand the context here,
Tamilakam is an another moniker for tamil nadu,like bharath for india.
Sir,Its not a emotional statement,things are going way worse than we predicted. People from all backgrounds are suffering in different level.
The statements like "government is not your babysitter"imo, is not a responsible comment.
Such arguments can be take u down to destructive side of the argument.
Just see in its second argument,
Now I have to delve into the obligations of the governance in the wuhan thread. So it'll eventually derail the thread.
I'm not interested in such scenarios,that's why I made that statement.
Not an emotional statement.
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I made a fair case in my earlier statement on this issue,any argument henceforth I've to delve into topic of governance.
On the underlined part,let the government issue such a statement, until then lets pause our argument on this subject.
Sorry, we couldn't engage anymore on this topic.
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Don't worry, I wasn't planning on schooling you on governance.
Anyway, good job pushing the blame on those who aren't responsible and helping the actual culprits get away. All in the name of governance.
Cheers.
politeness won't cost must,try it sometimes.
You can attack on ones argument but its uncouth to attack the messenger.
Again with Personal attacks.
Try to accept to the fact that people have difference of opinion.
Other member talked highly about you,but so far with my experience, I see no merits in his praise.
Good luck,
It's not always I come across people who attack the govt for no reason, while also trying to protect the actual culprits. Oh wait...
For argument sake,Lets say I attacked the government for "no reason" does it gives you right to abuse other members?
I honestly want to know who these culprits you keep on mentioning.
If you feel that way,you could make a post about these culprits. If you make an valid argument people will change their pov. Its simple as that.
That's how democracy works.
Another problem with the "real culprit" argument is,why won't the government prosecute them for their crimes. What is stopping the government from their duty?
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We have very different definitions of what abuse means.
Haha.
I already told you, it's the employers who didn't support their employees that are the real culprits. And you can't prosecute them since they did not break any laws. The govt has tried to prosecute the culprits, but...
Coronavirus: Supreme Court stays MHA order, employers won’t be prosecuted for non-payment of wages
Salary cut in lockdown: The Home Minister had issued a circular directing all private enterprises to continue payment of full salaries for the duration of the lockdown.
www.financialexpress.com
The Supreme Court is stopping the govt from doing its "duty", even the SC likes to do its "duty", like you even know what that word means.
Dude, you have zero clue on this subject. You neither have an idea about the logistics involved, nor the law.
The govt's done its best, I'd say better than its best. It's the regular citizens who failed their migrant brethern. But then the employers also have their own compulsions.
But the worst damage is done by people like you who show up with an agenda instead of identifying the actual problem and providing an actual workable solution.
I'd suggest reading posts 2742 and 2743, it will give you a clue on why the govt did what it did, and why it's actually working.
So that's the boogeyman you were talking about.....
And you were saying......
I have no clue about it......
I seriously thought you were the real deal bhai.....
I'm not interested in wasting my time with such arguments
Keep chasing the boogeyman,
And I'm not gonna be part of it(meaning this is my last post responding you)
Good luck
The Govt has completely messed up
No need to hide its failures
The only person with foresight was Kejriwal who acted on 27 th March to send the migrants to their villages
Even on 14 th April they could have started Trains
They wanted state governments and Employers to take all burden
How they could have done it without a Rescue package
YESTERDAY states were told how they could borrow more , from RBI
Even employers were conserving cash to prevent Bankruptcy
So the worst hit were migrants who are anyway not Voters where they work
They are voters in their home states
These 5 days of announcements by FM should have been done 1 month earlier
But they were making a comprehensive package
And migrants began to panic when they saw no help coming and they had no earnings , no savings
So they started fleeing
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If you guys recall ,Home Ministry had earlier refused Migrant trains
They said take Buses
All States protested
Telangana and Orissa defied the Centre and jointly Booked the First train
With the Help of Railway Ministry officers
When this happened and it was highly
Appreciated ,All states wanted the same model and Home Ministry backtracked
So who is running the Government
Modi and Amit Shah or Bureaucracy
They said take Buses
All States protested
Telangana and Orissa defied the Centre and jointly Booked the First train
With the Help of Railway Ministry officers
When this happened and it was highly
Appreciated ,All states wanted the same model and Home Ministry backtracked
So who is running the Government
Modi and Amit Shah or Bureaucracy
??
Are you suggesting Rly officials by passed the GoI & co operated with state govts complying with their requests to start trains for migrants?
Yes that is how the First train from Lingampally in Telangana to Jharkhand happened
It was Jharkhand Not Orrisa -- Sorry
DRM of that zone got approval from RM
Piyush Goyal and they did it with All Social distancing , Food, masks , everything
It was a demonstration that it could be done without any crowding
Govt was afraid of crowds in trains which we know it happens in sleeper class and Unreserved
Next day HM guidelines made it official
Migrant Workers Crisis: Special train with migrant workers leaves from Hyderabad to Jharkhand
A special non-stop train with migrant workers from Jharkhand left from Lingampally in Hyderabad early Friday morning. The workers will be dropped at Hatia station in Jharkhand.Around 500 workers were taken in 57 buses from IIT campus to Lingampally from where they boarded the train
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In South India, at least in Karnataka, they started sending migrants back a day before the lockdown was announced, and the migration lasted at least 2 days, until the midnight of 24th. Delhi was actually very late in comparison.
Karnataka CM BS Yediyurappa’s exit window helped migrant workers leave Bengaluru
March 25 was the festival day of Ugadi, which marks the new year in most parts of Karnataka. It was a scene of chaos at major highways on the evening of March 24 as people took whatever transport was available to leave the city. Many of them were migrant workers as the tech capital gets a large...
Later they realised that it's impossible to send back everybody so they reinforced the lockdown. So whatever everybody is hoping for with respect to migrants was already tried and it failed miserably.
Except for those involved in the military, utterly nobody here understands logistics at all.
One lakh migrants left Karnataka in special trains
Over a lakh stranded migrants including distressed workers, women, children and others travelled from Karnataka to their native places in various states ac
www.newskarnataka.com
The actual number of migrants.
Bengaluru's migrants cross 50% of the city's population | Bengaluru News - Times of India
Almost half the people (44.3 lakh) living in Bengaluru are migrants – a whopping 50.6% of the city's total population. The number of migrants more tha
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Yeah, so at 9000 people per day, it will take Bangalore alone 500 days to transport all the migrants. As for the rest of Karnataka, good luck. And please note this is from 2011 census.
So what people are hoping for here is impossible.
At least let this forum be free from disinformation.
Kejriwal is also suggesting we learn to live with the virus & has advocated restarting of all business & commercial establishments incl malls etc while respecting social distancing. I suppose you think his pop will be enforcing the rules & if things go out of hand he can always blame the centre.
What you are suggesting is with the benefit of hindsight. The GoI certainly didn't consider the problem of the migrant labour for various reasons on which we can only speculate. It could be that they thought a complete lock down of 3 weeks would be enough to break the transmission chain leading to bare minimal rates of infection post which they could restart the economy & transportation in a phased manner till which time the state governments in the states where they were present would take up the responsibility of looking after them.
It could also be that they didn't want the rapid relocation of these migrants back to their home States as that could imply transmission in rural areas where the healthcare facilities are even more abysmal than in urban areas thus sparking another crisis which could very well interfere with the agricultural activities there thus disrupting food production.
To this may also be added the cynical view that the poor don't carry much weight in the media as opposed to say travelers, students & the biz community stranded abroad & that their plight wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.
These are few of the major suppositions which worked in different permutations & combinations to which can be added a few more.
Unfortunately there wasn't a Plan B to mitigate their difficulties. What is being done now could probably have been undertaken at the end of the first or the second lock down. Unfortunately, if the infection reaches erstwhile green zones today it'd be much more difficult to contain it.
At the end of the day we must also consider the emotional quotient attached to the plight of migrants apart from pressing issues like food & safety & that the idea of being cooped up in a small dingy room with 10 other migrants with nothing to do is even more depressing. The first thought will always be to rather be in familiar surroundings with ones own family than in a strange land with nobody to call ones own. That's the psychological aspect of this tragedy.
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If Piyush Goyal was involved where's the question of defying the central government. They were very much part of the decision making process. I think you need to let go of pre conceived notions that this government has washed it's hands off the migrants. Unfortunately, That has been the attitude of most state governments including Maharashtra & Gujarat being the most prominent among them & the biggest culprits.Yes that is how the First train from Lingampally in Telangana to Jharkhand happened
It was Jharkhand Not Orrisa -- Sorry
DRM of that zone got approval from RM
Piyush Goyal and they did it with All Social distancing , Food, masks , everything
It was a demonstration that it could be done without any crowding
Govt was afraid of crowds in trains which we know it happens in sleeper class and Unreserved
Next day HM guidelines made it official
Migrant Workers Crisis: Special train with migrant workers leaves from Hyderabad to Jharkhand
A special non-stop train with migrant workers from Jharkhand left from Lingampally in Hyderabad early Friday morning. The workers will be dropped at Hatia station in Jharkhand.Around 500 workers were taken in 57 buses from IIT campus to Lingampally from where they boarded the trainbangaloremirror.indiatimes.com
The migrant labour is estimated to be 10 Crores
They are present in all cities , Big and small or even Semi Urban areas
Obviously all are not going back
Only those who came close to starving went back
Now how could it have been stopped
By announcing a Small Rescue package on 14 th April when they made the first
Extension in lockdown
Those migrants who gathered at Bandra station on 14 th April were the first indication of an Incoming
Disaster
If MSMEs had got a Collateral free or Interest Free loan by 14 th April
They would have paid salaries
But Chief Economic Adviser was busy Stitching a 20 Lakh Crore package INCLUDING
FDI in SPACE SECTOR ( very imaginative people in Finance ministry )
You are mixing up migrant data time and again. It's migrant "labour(daily wagers or factory workers)" that desperately need to go home not the migrant "IT Workers" or others. The data of 2011 census is mixed up so badly that you cannot get real result of even how many people migrated out of state easily.
In 2001 census around 4 crore people were shown to be migrated from one state to other but no such clear data in 2011 census(unless you are ready to mine long spreadsheets). I have tried but it's not possible on mobile.
This article for educational purposes estimates inter state migrants to be around 57 millions from 2011 census data which will include labour and every other kind of migration.
Your 20 crore migrants assumption may include historic migration where people just settled permanently. In other post post (few days back) you estimated it to be around 40 crore. While all those figures maybe correct in some context but it's only labour component that we need here.
Migrants here is a generic term to describe everyone who's come here for work cutting across class barriers. It holds true for a top engineer of a tech based MNC to a businessman to a construction worker. A significant number migrants are also successfully settled there either in rental accommodation or a few fortunate ones who own their own dwellings.In South India, at least in Karnataka, they started sending migrants back a day before the lockdown was announced, and the migration lasted at least 2 days, until the midnight of 24th. Delhi was actually very late in comparison.
Karnataka CM BS Yediyurappa’s exit window helped migrant workers leave Bengaluru
March 25 was the festival day of Ugadi, which marks the new year in most parts of Karnataka. It was a scene of chaos at major highways on the evening of March 24 as people took whatever transport was available to leave the city. Many of them were migrant workers as the tech capital gets a large...economictimes.indiatimes.com
Later they realised that it's impossible to send back everybody so they reinforced the lockdown. So whatever everybody is hoping for with respect to migrants was already tried and it failed miserably.
Except for those involved in the military, utterly nobody here understands logistics at all.
From 3rd May to the 17th, they have managed to send back only 1 lakh migrants by train from Karnataka. That's just 8300 people per day.One lakh migrants left Karnataka in special trains
Over a lakh stranded migrants including distressed workers, women, children and others travelled from Karnataka to their native places in various states ac
The actual number of migrants.
The population of Bengaluru, as per the 2011 census was 96.2 lakh people. Of these, a staggering 44.3 lakh people are classified as migrants...Bengaluru's migrants cross 50% of the city's population | Bengaluru News - Times of India
Almost half the people (44.3 lakh) living in Bengaluru are migrants – a whopping 50.6% of the city's total population. The number of migrants more tha
Yeah, so at 9000 people per day, it will take Bangalore alone 500 days to transport all the migrants. As for the rest of Karnataka, good luck. And please note this is from 2011 census.
So what people are hoping for here is impossible.
At least let this forum be free from disinformation.
Here, we refer to migrants who come here seasonally in search of work & return home in the harvesting season. Besides if you've gone through the article, it States very clearly that 63% of the migrants in Bangalore are from other parts of Karnataka. Add migrants from TN, TLG, AP, Kerala to it too - all of whom don't need trains to travel back home & the proportion of migrant labour from up North & the East comes down drastically.
While your considered articulation on logistics is well taken, your innate ability to conflate unrelated issues, conceal / gloss over relevant information, highlight others to Buttress your point just to scrore brownie points to win a debate continues.
You haven't understood the scale of the problem.
Even with just 1 lakh people, it has taken 12 days from just 1 city. What about 1 million people?