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_Anonymous_ said:
I took a cursory glance at the paper. It's a math heavy theoretical paper. I'd take the better part of a day to make some sense as opposed to all of it . I'd pass.

Instead I'd like to invite @Gautam to take a look & explain the difficulties involved if he's so inclined.

Moreover you guys are only focusing on the AAM aspect of it whereas I've also mentioned a SAM which I believe stands a better chance of a kill as it affords you the dimensions to carry the fuel & other paraphernalia which an airborne missile can't match for obvious reasons plus there's the element of surprise which an airborne platform launching such a missile can't equal.
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Yeah papers like this are focused on the control algo program only hence highly theoretical & need a ton of primary knowledge/understanding of the matter prior. But the challenge faced in the terminal phase or at a higher altitude, I think the general idea of interceptor is similar in nature. Hence the interceptor is divided in 2 parts booster or launch vehicle LV + KV kill vehicle. This general config is very much similar config to boost and glide/cruise phase of a surface attack missile except the endgame here is to intercept in air. So the KV design is tuned for that.

Air launch usefulness is that the mother vehicle jet is much more mobile than a ground based missile launcher, so reaction can be over a very large range bubble from one end to the other, theoretically.
 
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Those 50 satellites are only the initial qty . The Chinese have 150+ such satellites in orbit likely more. I've read reports they're targeting a total of 500 such satellites by 2030. Then there's their own Star Link network .

OTOH , the US already has some 250 such satellites in orbit plus Star Link. I've no idea how many more they plan on launching before the end of this decade.

While the coverage area of both these constellations would be across the span of the earth , our aims are much more modest.

I'd reckon we would be surveiling the area from the east coast of Africa to the eastern coast of China & everything in between.

Anywhere between 100-200 satellites should serve our purpose for 24x7 surveillance & tracking. Of course we don't have star link or a similar constellation planned which frankly is something we should be undertaking in partnership with the Pvt Sector but that's another story.
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200 Seems minimum( I support 300 for redundancy) no.
With 200 sats we would have revisit time of 30min to an hour over our entire area of interest( india, pak, china, indian ocean), if entire area Is surveiled.
good for surveillance.
we can localise the area/focus on smaller areas with 200 sat constellation for smaller and smaller revisit time.
And if all available sats are concentrated on a small area, we can constantly track even fast moving aerial targets.

200(300 for redundancy) surveillance and 500 communication sats(like starlink) would be needed, economically best way for communication sats will be dual use ones, have a commercial company launch satellite internet with their own communication/internet satellite constellations, supported by gov.

If we wish to maintain constant track of conflict areas on both sides( pak and china) at the same time than more surveillance sats ~500 will be needed.


Though it still won't be of scope( even if we localise it for indian area)and capabilities US is aiming for with it's sbs of 1000-3000 surveillance and 10k+ communication sats.


Also, those 50 sats will be launched by 2030, so we start working on that 400+km range awacs killer missile after 2030.

And hopefully, we will have 200+ surveillance sats in orbit by 2035-37.
 
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Those 50 satellites are only the initial qty . The Chinese have 150+ such satellites in orbit likely more. I've read reports they're targeting a total of 500 such satellites by 2030. Then there's their own Star Link network .

OTOH , the US already has some 250 such satellites in orbit plus Star Link. I've no idea how many more they plan on launching before the end of this decade.

While the coverage area of both these constellations would be across the span of the earth , our aims are much more modest.

I'd reckon we would be surveiling the area from the east coast of Africa to the eastern coast of China & everything in between.

Anywhere between 100-200 satellites should serve our purpose for 24x7 surveillance & tracking. Of course we don't have star link or a similar constellation planned which frankly is something we should be undertaking in partnership with the Pvt Sector but that's another story.
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OneWeb supposed to be starlink for us.
 
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babablacksheep said:
200 Seems minimum( I support 300 for redundancy) no.
With 200 sats we would have revisit time of 30min to an hour over our entire area of interest( india, pak, china, indian ocean), if entire area Is surveiled.
good for surveillance.
we can localise the area/focus on smaller areas with 200 sat constellation for smaller and smaller revisit time.
And if all available sats are concentrated on a small area, we can constantly track even fast moving aerial targets.

200(300 for redundancy) surveillance and 500 communication sats(like starlink) would be needed, economically best way for communication sats will be dual use ones, have a commercial company launch satellite internet with their own communication/internet satellite constellations, supported by gov.

If we wish to maintain constant track of conflict areas on both sides( pak and china) at the same time than more surveillance sats ~500 will be needed.


Though it still won't be of scope( even if we localise it for indian area)and capabilities US is aiming for with it's sbs of 1000-3000 surveillance and 10k+ communication sats.


Also, those 50 sats will be launched by 2030, so we start working on that 400+km range awacs killer missile after 2030.

And hopefully, we will have 200+ surveillance sats in orbit by 2035-37.
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We can get 100-150 satellites in orbit by 2030 - my deadline for a Sino Indian war . Hopefully they should suffice to do the job.

The previous deadline of launching all 50 satellites under the SBS program was brought forward from its previous deadline of launching by 2028-29 to end 2026 .

I'd say therefore it's logical to infer much more satellites are in the pipeline plans for which could be expedited by end this year / early next year.

I'd linked the speech / interview of Dr Somnath by Business Today some days ago here .He clearly emphasised the need for renewed focus on Hypersonics & multiple SBS launches in addition to what's planned ASAP.

This brings me back to my original point of no long distance Hypersonic SCRAMJET powered AAM / SAM program seems to be even in an ideation stage.
 
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marich01 said:
“16 targets, 3–4 minutes.”


https://twitter.com/x/status/1934562054121079226
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Only 2 out of 8 Pakistani subs were operational, rest were on Karachi dry dock.
Such juicy and easy targets, if only navy had joined.
 
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marich01 said:
“16 targets, 3–4 minutes.”


https://twitter.com/x/status/1934562054121079226
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One feature tha doesn't get talked about much is the 'intra-flight data link' that allows multiple Brahmos to communicate in-flight and allocate targets (one missile per target) between each other. Afaik, the only weapon to have this feature.

Although the West has in-flight retargeting via satellite datalink.
 
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Speedster1 said:
One feature tha doesn't get talked about much is the 'intra-flight data link' that allows multiple Brahmos to communicate in-flight and allocate targets (one missile per target) between each other. Afaik, the only weapon to have this feature.

Although the West has in-flight retargeting via satellite datalink.
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The much fabled "wolf-pack" mode;)
 
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Speedster1 said:
One feature tha doesn't get talked about much is the 'intra-flight data link' that allows multiple Brahmos to communicate in-flight and allocate targets (one missile per target) between each other. Afaik, the only weapon to have this feature.

Although the West has in-flight retargeting via satellite datalink.
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Na, soviets had this feature in many missiles and russians have this on many missiles too.
Soviet p700, nato name "ship wreck" had the predecessor of this feature too.
 
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Speedster1 said:
P-700 is long retired though.
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🇷🇺 P800/original brahmos.
Zircon.
Kh32.

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Agm-158c LRASM.
Tomahawk blk4+.

These are the system where " country's sources officially mention" the capabilities of cooperative engagement between missiles.

There are other weapons of other countries with "some sources suggesting" they may have similar or more simplified/less advance version of this capability.

Some 🇨🇳 sources suggest yj18, and other chinese missiles have similar feature.
 
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babablacksheep said:
🇷🇺 P800/original brahmos.
Zircon.
Kh32.

🇺🇸
Agm-158c LRASM.
Tomahawk blk4+.

These are the system where " country's sources officially mention" the capabilities of cooperative engagement between missiles.

There are other weapons of other countries with "some sources suggesting" they may have similar or more simplified/less advance version of this capability.

Some 🇨🇳 sources suggest yj18, and other chinese missiles have similar feature.
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Frankly, its a bit redundant in today's scenario. Modern mission planning systems plot routes (GPS way points), allocate targets and so on before the weapon even leaves the tube. OTH platforms take care of the rest.
 
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