Some saying numbers as
BrahMos Missiles
227 Combat
22 Practice
And 7 training
BrahMos Missiles
227 Combat
22 Practice
And 7 training
su30 & tejas squadron with NG in ANC can change the dynamics anytime. I hope they are able to upgrade the NG version to 400km at least like the airlaunch version. All 4 versions should be operated from every over the sea bases.BrahMos-ER batteries in Lakshadweep is vital for Arabian sea dominance. 800kms, Mach 3+ sea-skimming missile is a nightmare for our enemies.
NG will be operational on all our jets including Rafale and Jaguars, IIRC. It'll definitely be a great deterrent. But MKI + BrahMos A combo shall remain our most lethal combo against enemy ships. 800kms BrahMos ER when fired from Su-30MKI at high altitude will easily have 1000+ kms range. Just think about that range, sea skimming ability, end game maneuverability, low RCS and Mach 3+ speed throughout the envelope and it is a legit nightmare for our enemies.su30 & tejas squadron with NG in ANC can change the dynamics anytime. I hope they are able to upgrade the NG version to 400km at least like the airlaunch version. All 4 versions should be operated from every over the sea bases.
What is the need to achieve more than 800-1000km band of range for the land launched cruise missile
thats right , unless there is satcom or external guidance it will be hard to hit the target. Further the target more the area it needs to scan. For a fixed target it might look ok but for mobile targets, chances of hitting decreases further we go .What is the need to achieve more than 800-1000km band of range for the land launched cruise missile , the further out should be done via air launched/ship launched version. Major work needed inside for the propulsion (ie extended period of time of flight). Better to deliver better accuracy as if speed is your main asset , terminal accuracy would suffer.
This Onyx concept is a very good anti ship option no doubt, but as a very fast cruise vehicle stretching it too far over 800km range while keeping the speed nearly the same/minor upgrade to 3.5 mach would impact performance imo. Want to hit a land target over 1000km? use a quasi ballistic high payload delivery option.
Basically my point is, doing a very precision strike while stretching your arms too far out is kinda sketchy. Its ok if you have usa like resources, tomahawk missile is highly dependent on other technical aspects like tercom, high quality guidance & omnipresent satcom too. Until we have such extensive enabling network, long range precision systems at 800-1000km is ok imo.
The team is also working on a 1,500-km range missile,” a source said, adding that initially, this will be a land-based missile.
Yeah, hence I was curious as to why the user would need a precision cruise weapon with a limited warhead 200-300kg, that needs to neutralise a perceived high priority threat over 1K km away while maintaining its flight profile (terminal stage very low flying mode or steep down attack whichever) which was initially a concept to neutralise a ship sized target.1500 kms BrahMos was always the plan for quite some time:
Source: India now working on 1,500-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile
yes that can be too esp as they have shown plans to upgrade the speed profile to 5 mach , assuming all other technical parameters remain the same, compared to the current 2.3-2.5 mach cruising Brahmos, a 5mach one obviously gets to such extended very long range.Most probably for hypersonic testbed, using IRNSS for nav?
What about pounding the same 1500kms range target with BrahMos, Shaurya & Nirbhay at the same/similar time from different vectors to break, saturate and overwhelm the enemy formidable IADS network to take out a high value targetYeah, hence I was curious as to why the user would need a precision cruise weapon with a limited warhead 200-300kg, that needs to neutralise a perceived high priority threat over 1K km away while maintaining its flight profile (terminal stage very low flying mode or steep down attack whichever) which was initially a concept to neutralise a ship sized target.
Say , you have the fixed/part mobile target at far out 1300km like a train shop with loaded war cargo inside a large setup, or at a junction station still waiting on the rail track before moving elsewhere. Estimate is about same 300kg class warhead can maybe neutralise it. If you have option of both Brahmos and Shaurya like quasi BM with 300kg warhead , what would you choose for this mission? A third option is also there as a missile option is long range Nirbhay class with a large conventional payload of 700kg-1 ton. So what would you choose?
yes that can be too esp as they have shown plans to upgrade the speed profile to 5 mach , assuming all other technical parameters remain the same, compared to the current 2.3-2.5 mach cruising Brahmos, a 5mach one obviously gets to such extended very long range.
My question is mostly centered on payload part, would it not be better to trade some range for a bigger 500kg class payload? current conflict shows us the need for high level damage.
That is in the latter part of a conflict with far more Ad challenge maybe. For now just consider a test case under normal circumstances. Is it logical to just prolong the reach of the arm or better to improve the enabling technologies and the lethality of the weapon? As an anti ship weapon it is definitely something an armed force would like no doubt. But as an all round choice ie land attack role from multiple platforms, perhaps it is better to improve the payload and the accuracy too because the faster it gets and the further it goes, that accuracy part will be first to be hampered imo. Seeker tech need to be very precise, actuated controls and terminal guidance also need to be more precise etc.What about pounding the same 1500kms range target with BrahMos, Shaurya & Nirbhay at the same/similar time from different vectors to break, saturate and overwhelm the enemy formidable IADS network to take out a high value target
Rest with time we shall know more.......
This is primarily an anti ship missile... Wanna know what it is good for?What is the need to achieve more than 800-1000km band of range for the land launched cruise missile , the further out should be done via air launched/ship launched version. Major work needed inside for the propulsion (ie extended period of time of flight). Better to deliver better accuracy as if speed is your main asset , terminal accuracy would suffer.
This Onyx concept is a very good anti ship option no doubt, but as a very fast cruise vehicle stretching it too far over 800km range while keeping the speed nearly the same/minor upgrade to 3.5 mach would impact performance imo. Want to hit a land target over 1000km? use a quasi ballistic high payload delivery option.
Basically my point is, doing a very precision strike while stretching your arms too far out is kinda sketchy. Its ok if you have usa like resources, tomahawk missile is highly dependent on other technical aspects like tercom, high quality guidance & omnipresent satcom too. Until we have such extensive enabling network, long range precision systems at 800-1000km is ok imo.
What is the chance that the seeker would pick up another ship & then we will be in the middle of another international controversy? That lane is quite busy you know, far busy than the vast open backyard of ours. We think in very lateral terms, war planners need to consider parallel aspects too.This is primarily an anti ship missile... Wanna know what it is good for?
With Brahmos 800 KM variant
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You dig tunnels to secure mobile Brahmos batteries on Andoman and Nicorbar Islands. Hide the missile batteries, provide cover with vegetation. Put few S-400s and MR SAM for good measure and provide air cover from main land and / or air base in Andoman and boom, you have an unsinkable aircraft carrier and destroyer. No submarine can do anything to it. No amount of bombardment can sink it.
When there will be war, India will declare a blockade of that Strait for Any Chinese ship. Naturally any ships will avoid that route. It will further put pressure on China to not escalate or it will become everyone's problem very soon.What is the chance that the seeker would pick up another ship & then we will be in the middle of another international controversy? That lane is quite busy you know, far busy than the vast open backyard of ours.
I already addressed the anti ship utility part in the last post above. My query was regarding an allround attack option like how Brahmos is touted now. Even aside that, warfare still need to respect international laws. So prolonging the reach is not the matter, making it more precise is where the task is hard. The scramjet powered one, that will be about 800-900km max due to operational time constraint. From use case perspective, it makes little sense to extend the reach only while sacrificing other parameters. That is why the armed forces still test it so often.
I doubt that would be the case and in such easy permutation. Some form of blockade will be there of course, but not in such extent of Brahmos use case.When there will be war, India will declare a blockade of that Strait for Any Chinese ship. Naturally any ships will avoid that route. It will further put pressure on China to not escalate or it will become everyone's problem very soon.