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Shaheen-3 and Ababeel use the same warhead.
Shaheen-3 carries one and Ababeel carries three of the same warhead.
The warhead is a strategic yield fission fusion device which is about 0.74 meter wide and 2 meter tall.
Fitting three of these in the Ababeel warhead casing which is 3.4 meters tall and 1.8 metres wide.
In fact Pakistan can fit 4 Shaheen-3 warheads on ababeel. But then weight will be an issue.
Currently the Shaheen-3 carries a 500 kg warhead to a distance of 2750 km.
Ababeel carries three such warheads weighing 1.5 tons to a distance of 2200 km.
Hence paying penalty of carrying excess weight in reduced range.
 
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Shaheen-3 and Ababeel use the same warhead.
Shaheen-3 carries one and Ababeel carries three of the same warhead.
The warhead is a strategic yield fission fusion device which is about 0.74 meter wide and 2 meter tall.
Fitting three of these in the Ababeel warhead casing which is 3.4 meters tall and 1.8 metres wide.
In fact Pakistan can fit 4 Shaheen-3 warheads on ababeel. But then weight will be an issue.
Currently the Shaheen-3 carries a 500 kg warhead to a distance of 2750 km.
Ababeel carries three such warheads weighing 1.5 tons to a distance of 2200 km.
Hence paying penalty of carrying excess weight in reduced range.

So is it just the space which define how many warhead a missile can carry or there are other factors as well?
 
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Shaheen-3 and Ababeel use the same warhead.
Shaheen-3 carries one and Ababeel carries three of the same warhead.
The warhead is a strategic yield fission fusion device which is about 0.74 meter wide and 2 meter tall.
Fitting three of these in the Ababeel warhead casing which is 3.4 meters tall and 1.8 metres wide.
In fact Pakistan can fit 4 Shaheen-3 warheads on ababeel. But then weight will be an issue.
Currently the Shaheen-3 carries a 500 kg warhead to a distance of 2750 km.
Ababeel carries three such warheads weighing 1.5 tons to a distance of 2200 km.
Hence paying penalty of carrying excess weight in reduced range.
Can you please post photos of MIRV BUS for ABAbilli missiles...😁😁😁😂
 
Possibly Failed Pakistani Ballistic Missile Test Raises Doubts About Overall Capability
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December 10, 2018
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Unlike India’s indigenous ballistic missile development effort, Pakistan preferred to embark on a path that was predicated on acquiring missile technology from proliferating countries like North Korea and China. The Pakistani Ballistic missile programme has however not been fully successfully in absorbing the technology it may have received from foreign sources. An analysis of a possibly failed tests from late January 2018 reveals that not all is well with Pakistan’s solid-fuelled nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. But first, a brief history:



A Brief History
From North Korea, Pakistan obtained the 1200-1400 km range Scud missile derived No Dong[1] missile. The No Dong is a liquid propelled missile and Pakistani specialists received training in assembly and launch preparation operations for the same along with the transfer. More importantly, they may have received Reentry Vehicle (RV) technology as part of the deal. The No Dong was renamed as Ghauri[2] in Pakistan.

Pakistan had some prior experience with solid propellant rockets based on the sounding rocket technology obtained by SUPARCO from France in the 1960s. Despite the No Dong acquisition, the advantages of using solid propellant systems for missile application have long been evident to Pakistan and in the mid 1990s itself Pakistan had managed to import M-11[3] missiles while receiving alongside the technology as well as equipment and facilities necessary for taking up in house production of the same. The Pakistani nomenclature for this missile i.e. the M-11 is Ghaznavi/Hatf-3. It is speculated that China may have also supplied Pakistan with some units of the longer range M-9[4] missiles, based on which the Pakistanis developed the Shaheen-1/Hatf-4.

Using a mix of Chinese know-how and their own efforts, Pakistan has since developed newer classes of Shaheen missiles of varying ranges. Shaheen-1A and the larger diameter Shaheen-2 and Shaheen-3 are in this category. Pakistan also has flight tested a missile called Ababeel with Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) capability. Ababeel also employs the lower propulsion stages used in Shaheen-2/Shaheen-3. All the missiles can field conventional or nuclear warheads. The Shaheen series of ballistic missiles are shown in figure 1 (Fig. 1) and their vital statistics are given in Fig.2 right below.





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Fig.1: Shaheen 2 Shaheen 3 Ababeel

Source for all three images in Fig.1: Inter Services Public Relations Pakistan




ParametersShaheen-2Shaheen-3AbabeelTotal Length, m16.818.522.1Diameter, m1.41.41.4/1.7No. of stages233+Post Boost Control Systems (PBCS)Stage-1
Stage-2
Stage-3
RV

7.6
5.0

4.5
9.5
4.2

4.6
9.5
4.2
2.5
8.5
WarheadUnitaryUnitaryMIRVRange1500km?2750km2200km

Figure 2: Vital Statistics of the Shaheen series of ballistic missiles



Now both India and Pakistan routinely carry out flight testing of their missiles as part of development, qualification and user training drills. While India uses the missile test range at Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast, Pakistan has missile test ranges at Tila in Jhelum and Sonmiani in Balochistan. For sometime now, Pakistan has been firing its long range missiles from the Sonmiani range (‘Winder’) into the Arabian Sea. For such flights Pakistan issues flight notices – notices to airmen/mariners (NOTAM) and these are available in the public domain. Also, Both India and Pakistan have an agreement for conveying pre-launch intimation to the other of a ballistic missile test.



Pakistani Ballistic Missile Tests
Though the year 2017 was a busy one for the Indian ballistic missile programme, Pakistan logged only one long range missile test (that of the Ababeel) during the same period. This, was somewhat contrary to the past trend of Pakistani ballistic missile tests matching Indian trials in terms of number of launches.

Be that as it may, in January 2018, it appeared that Pakistan was planning to carry out a long range test as can be inferred from the NOTAM[5] issued by the Hydrographer, Pakistan Navy on 25 January 2018. The area Southwest of Pakistani Coast designated as Navarea IX comes under the jurisdiction of Pakistan and the relevant NOTAM is reproduced below:

Notice Issued by Pakistan Navy

SECURITE

250300 UTC JAN 2018

NAVAREA IX (.) O25/18 ARABIAN SEA (.) PAKISTAN (.)

CHARTS

PAK 33, 57 (INT 751), 58 (7019) BA 4071 AND 4705 (.)

2. MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0530 T0 0930

UTC FROM 28 JAN TO 01 FEB 2018 IN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING

COORDINATES:

  1. 25-43.83N 066-19.45E
  2. 25-16.83N 067-11.36E
  3. 01-59.01N 054-20.98E
  4. 02-25.45N 053-34.10E
SAFETY HEIGHT: 580 KILOMETERS

3. SHIPS NAD CRAFTS ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER

ASSIGNED DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES

AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 011030 UTC FEB 2018

From the NOTAM, the following information can be gleaned:

  • The launch window was from 28 Jan 2018 to 01 Feb 2018
  • The coordinates C and D are the extreme points of the safety corridor and indicative of the targeted missile range.
  • The missile apogee was to be in the region of the safety height of 580 km.
From Google Earth, the distance of the line joining coordinates C and D from the launch site is found to be 2850 km. Any missile planned to be launched during the aforementioned window would obviously have a range of this order. The range of the Shaheen series of missiles taken from the relevant ISPR[6] press releases are shown in the table below:

MissileRangeShaheen-1700kmShaheen-1A900kmShaheen-21400kmShaheen-32750kmAbabeel-MIRV2200km[7]



From the table it can be inferred that the range safety maximum distance of 2850 km corresponds to Shaheen-3 launch and this was the missile planned to be flown during the launch window. Google Earth imagery over Winder from 28 January 2018 also confirms that a missile was indeed on the pad ready for launch. The image is reproduced in Fig 3. below.

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Figure 3: Shaheen 3 missile on launch pad at Winder on 28 January 2018. From Google Earth.



Normally, there is wide media coverage of a successful launch with ISPR as well Pakistan’s general media extensively reporting the event. In this instance however, there was a total absence of any coverage related to a successful launch during any of the launch window dates. Typically, after every successful launch by Pakistan, ISPR issues a press release to announce the same. The press release also typically names the dignitaries who may have been present for the launch besides providing an image of the missile in flight and a statement referring to the missile being nuclear capable. The press release as well as flight video is shared with the press.



So the total absence of such coverage during this instance i.e. the late January 2018 Shaheen-3 test throws the field open to speculation with two possibilities seeming likely:

Either the launch was called off due to technical reasons and did not take place or the launch took place and was not successful.

If the launch was called off due to a technical glitch in the flight preparations, the same could have been rectified and the missile would have been launched during the designated window. However, this has not been observed leaving one to speculate that a failure may have occurred either on the launch pad itself or during flight. Unfortunately, Google Earth historical imagery over Winder is not available for subsequent days to look for any signs of a launch mishap.

Moreover, even after a lapse of 10 months since the last launch window, flight testing of Shaheen-3 or any other Pakistani Medium Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) has not taken place and this may be indicative of a problem with the Shaheen series of missiles itself. It may be noted that even in the past there have been developmental issues with the Shaheen class of missiles. Four tests of the Shaheen-2 were reported between 2004 and 2007 after which there was a lull for six and half years. Such long absence of testing of a crucial missile system can only be attributed to technical problems as analysed in an earlier NIAS report[8].

It is worthwhile to recall, that there is commonality between the stages of Shaheen-2, Shaheen-3 and Ababeel. Consequently, a problem in any of the flight systems of some of these missiles may have an impact on the overall missile family. This could be one reason why no Shaheen family ballistic missile flight has been scheduled by Pakistan since that last January 28, 2018 window and now. However, Pakistan did carry out a flight of the Ghauri[9] ballistic missile on 08 October 2018[10]. The Ghauri flight, the first since 2015 appears to be a make shift launch to compensate for the drought in the Pakistan ballistic missile launches in 2018. The launch was aimed at reassuring Pakistan’s domestic audience that its nuclear deterrence was active and also served to convey a message to the international audience that their ballistic missile programme was still alive.



Conclusion
From the available information and analysis, it would seem that the Pakistan long range ballistic missile programme is suffering from technical issues. It is known that liquid propellant missiles are not as well suited as solid propelled ones for survivable ballistic missile applications. In the normal course of things it would not at all have been surprising for Pakistan to have phased out the Ghauri missile in favour of the Shaheen 2. However, that has clearly not happened yet. Indeed, in the light of the issues they seem to be having, they are probably still dependent on the Ghauri, which will have to be around for some more years at the very least.

Riffath Kazi is a Senior Research Fellow with the International Strategic and Security Studies Programme (ISSSP) of the National Institute of Advanced Studies (NIAS) Bangalore

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We're watching you people. Remember we have eyes in space... Nothing hides from us. Not even failed ABBAkiBilli missile test.....😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
 
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Can you????
We launch multiple satellites using a single Rocket regularly. It uses same technology used in MIRV BUS. Only thing changes is instead of satellites in missiles warheads RV are launched. ISRO has published photos of satellite busses India uses.. do some research....😉😉😉😉
 
We launch multiple satellites using a single Rocket regularly. It uses same technology used in MIRV BUS. Only thing changes is instead of satellites in missiles warheads RV are launched. ISRO has published photos of satellite busses India uses.. do some research....😉😉😉😉
Rubbish.
A satellite BUS is totally different from MIRV.
Satellite launching vehicle and BUS can be as big as possibe and no rush.
MIRV and missile both have to be small and can be launched on moments notice.
 
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Possibly Failed Pakistani Ballistic Missile Test Raises Doubts About Overall Capability
By

Riffath Kazi
-

December 10, 2018
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Unlike India’s indigenous ballistic missile development effort, Pakistan preferred to embark on a path that was predicated on acquiring missile technology from proliferating countries like North Korea and China. The Pakistani Ballistic missile programme has however not been fully successfully in absorbing the technology it may have received from foreign sources. An analysis of a possibly failed tests from late January 2018 reveals that not all is well with Pakistan’s solid-fuelled nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. But first, a brief history:



A Brief History
From North Korea, Pakistan obtained the 1200-1400 km range Scud missile derived No Dong[1] missile. The No Dong is a liquid propelled missile and Pakistani specialists received training in assembly and launch preparation operations for the same along with the transfer. More importantly, they may have received Reentry Vehicle (RV) technology as part of the deal. The No Dong was renamed as Ghauri[2] in Pakistan.

Pakistan had some prior experience with solid propellant rockets based on the sounding rocket technology obtained by SUPARCO from France in the 1960s. Despite the No Dong acquisition, the advantages of using solid propellant systems for missile application have long been evident to Pakistan and in the mid 1990s itself Pakistan had managed to import M-11[3] missiles while receiving alongside the technology as well as equipment and facilities necessary for taking up in house production of the same. The Pakistani nomenclature for this missile i.e. the M-11 is Ghaznavi/Hatf-3. It is speculated that China may have also supplied Pakistan with some units of the longer range M-9[4] missiles, based on which the Pakistanis developed the Shaheen-1/Hatf-4.

Using a mix of Chinese know-how and their own efforts, Pakistan has since developed newer classes of Shaheen missiles of varying ranges. Shaheen-1A and the larger diameter Shaheen-2 and Shaheen-3 are in this category. Pakistan also has flight tested a missile called Ababeel with Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) capability. Ababeel also employs the lower propulsion stages used in Shaheen-2/Shaheen-3. All the missiles can field conventional or nuclear warheads. The Shaheen series of ballistic missiles are shown in figure 1 (Fig. 1) and their vital statistics are given in Fig.2 right below.





word-image.png
word-image-1.png
word-image-2.png
























Fig.1: Shaheen 2 Shaheen 3 Ababeel

Source for all three images in Fig.1: Inter Services Public Relations Pakistan




ParametersShaheen-2Shaheen-3AbabeelTotal Length, m16.818.522.1Diameter, m1.41.41.4/1.7No. of stages233+Post Boost Control Systems (PBCS)Stage-1
Stage-2
Stage-3
RV

7.6
5.0

4.5
9.5
4.2

4.6
9.5
4.2
2.5
8.5
WarheadUnitaryUnitaryMIRVRange1500km?2750km2200km

Figure 2: Vital Statistics of the Shaheen series of ballistic missiles



Now both India and Pakistan routinely carry out flight testing of their missiles as part of development, qualification and user training drills. While India uses the missile test range at Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast, Pakistan has missile test ranges at Tila in Jhelum and Sonmiani in Balochistan. For sometime now, Pakistan has been firing its long range missiles from the Sonmiani range (‘Winder’) into the Arabian Sea. For such flights Pakistan issues flight notices – notices to airmen/mariners (NOTAM) and these are available in the public domain. Also, Both India and Pakistan have an agreement for conveying pre-launch intimation to the other of a ballistic missile test.



Pakistani Ballistic Missile Tests
Though the year 2017 was a busy one for the Indian ballistic missile programme, Pakistan logged only one long range missile test (that of the Ababeel) during the same period. This, was somewhat contrary to the past trend of Pakistani ballistic missile tests matching Indian trials in terms of number of launches.

Be that as it may, in January 2018, it appeared that Pakistan was planning to carry out a long range test as can be inferred from the NOTAM[5] issued by the Hydrographer, Pakistan Navy on 25 January 2018. The area Southwest of Pakistani Coast designated as Navarea IX comes under the jurisdiction of Pakistan and the relevant NOTAM is reproduced below:

Notice Issued by Pakistan Navy

SECURITE

250300 UTC JAN 2018

NAVAREA IX (.) O25/18 ARABIAN SEA (.) PAKISTAN (.)

CHARTS

PAK 33, 57 (INT 751), 58 (7019) BA 4071 AND 4705 (.)

2. MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0530 T0 0930

UTC FROM 28 JAN TO 01 FEB 2018 IN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING

COORDINATES:

  1. 25-43.83N 066-19.45E
  2. 25-16.83N 067-11.36E
  3. 01-59.01N 054-20.98E
  4. 02-25.45N 053-34.10E
SAFETY HEIGHT: 580 KILOMETERS

3. SHIPS NAD CRAFTS ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER

ASSIGNED DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES

AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 011030 UTC FEB 2018

From the NOTAM, the following information can be gleaned:

  • The launch window was from 28 Jan 2018 to 01 Feb 2018
  • The coordinates C and D are the extreme points of the safety corridor and indicative of the targeted missile range.
  • The missile apogee was to be in the region of the safety height of 580 km.
From Google Earth, the distance of the line joining coordinates C and D from the launch site is found to be 2850 km. Any missile planned to be launched during the aforementioned window would obviously have a range of this order. The range of the Shaheen series of missiles taken from the relevant ISPR[6] press releases are shown in the table below:

MissileRangeShaheen-1700kmShaheen-1A900kmShaheen-21400kmShaheen-32750kmAbabeel-MIRV2200km[7]



From the table it can be inferred that the range safety maximum distance of 2850 km corresponds to Shaheen-3 launch and this was the missile planned to be flown during the launch window. Google Earth imagery over Winder from 28 January 2018 also confirms that a missile was indeed on the pad ready for launch. The image is reproduced in Fig 3. below.

Google-Earth-Image.jpg


Figure 3: Shaheen 3 missile on launch pad at Winder on 28 January 2018. From Google Earth.



Normally, there is wide media coverage of a successful launch with ISPR as well Pakistan’s general media extensively reporting the event. In this instance however, there was a total absence of any coverage related to a successful launch during any of the launch window dates. Typically, after every successful launch by Pakistan, ISPR issues a press release to announce the same. The press release also typically names the dignitaries who may have been present for the launch besides providing an image of the missile in flight and a statement referring to the missile being nuclear capable. The press release as well as flight video is shared with the press.



So the total absence of such coverage during this instance i.e. the late January 2018 Shaheen-3 test throws the field open to speculation with two possibilities seeming likely:

Either the launch was called off due to technical reasons and did not take place or the launch took place and was not successful.

If the launch was called off due to a technical glitch in the flight preparations, the same could have been rectified and the missile would have been launched during the designated window. However, this has not been observed leaving one to speculate that a failure may have occurred either on the launch pad itself or during flight. Unfortunately, Google Earth historical imagery over Winder is not available for subsequent days to look for any signs of a launch mishap.

Moreover, even after a lapse of 10 months since the last launch window, flight testing of Shaheen-3 or any other Pakistani Medium Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) has not taken place and this may be indicative of a problem with the Shaheen series of missiles itself. It may be noted that even in the past there have been developmental issues with the Shaheen class of missiles. Four tests of the Shaheen-2 were reported between 2004 and 2007 after which there was a lull for six and half years. Such long absence of testing of a crucial missile system can only be attributed to technical problems as analysed in an earlier NIAS report[8].

It is worthwhile to recall, that there is commonality between the stages of Shaheen-2, Shaheen-3 and Ababeel. Consequently, a problem in any of the flight systems of some of these missiles may have an impact on the overall missile family. This could be one reason why no Shaheen family ballistic missile flight has been scheduled by Pakistan since that last January 28, 2018 window and now. However, Pakistan did carry out a flight of the Ghauri[9] ballistic missile on 08 October 2018[10]. The Ghauri flight, the first since 2015 appears to be a make shift launch to compensate for the drought in the Pakistan ballistic missile launches in 2018. The launch was aimed at reassuring Pakistan’s domestic audience that its nuclear deterrence was active and also served to convey a message to the international audience that their ballistic missile programme was still alive.



Conclusion
From the available information and analysis, it would seem that the Pakistan long range ballistic missile programme is suffering from technical issues. It is known that liquid propellant missiles are not as well suited as solid propelled ones for survivable ballistic missile applications. In the normal course of things it would not at all have been surprising for Pakistan to have phased out the Ghauri missile in favour of the Shaheen 2. However, that has clearly not happened yet. Indeed, in the light of the issues they seem to be having, they are probably still dependent on the Ghauri, which will have to be around for some more years at the very least.

Riffath Kazi is a Senior Research Fellow with the International Strategic and Security Studies Programme (ISSSP) of the National Institute of Advanced Studies (NIAS) Bangalore

Possibly Failed Pakistani Ballistic Missile Test Raises Doubts About Overall Capability | Delhi Defence Review

We're watching you people. Remember we have eyes in space... Nothing hides from us. Not even failed ABBAkiBilli missile test.....😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
Hogwash.
All the dimensions given for Ababeel are wrong
 
Also about Indian MIRV the problem is the size and weight of their warheads which are still too big and too heavy for MIRV
 
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Rubbish.
A satellite BUS is totally different from MIRV.
Satellite launching vehicle and BUS can be as big as possibe and no rush.
MIRV and missile both have to be small and can be launched on moments notice.

And Pakistan directly leapfrog directly to miniaturized version of both bus and warheads. Some different kind of development curve followed by exceptional talent out there in Pakistan.
 
And Pakistan directly leapfrog directly to miniaturized version of both bus and warheads. Some different kind of development curve followed by exceptional talent out there in Pakistan.
They have plenty of hidden talent. Just watch this space. In some years, we are going to see plenty of Nobel laureates from the land of the pure. As of now, Hapig Saeed is the leading contender for the Nobel Peace Prize. But he's not the only one from out there.
 
And Pakistan directly leapfrog directly to miniaturized version of both bus and warheads. Some different kind of development curve followed by exceptional talent out there in Pakistan.
Don't forget that Pakistani space program is older than Indian and Pakistani nuclear weapons program is far more streamlined and coordinated than India's.
That's because all Pakistani missile and nuclear program is government run.
India has many private firms involvement and profitability is paramount.
Indian missile manufacturing is business based and often they make missile which may not have appropriate warheads.

Pakistani missile program is run by the same people who run the nuclear warhead program not by some Ambani businesses man.
 
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So is it just the space which define how many warhead a missile can carry or there are other factors as well?

Many other factors...the biggest one I see is making the payload/range claim work with the delV on offer by the volume of fuel and its type (Isp)....i.e the energy imparted.

A detailed estimate can be done (I started on one some time back but never got around to completing it).....but one can easily compare to the factors other countries have for their MIRV's too and scale for range/payload....and why they went for those, that too with lot larger warhead numbers (and yields/warhead) than found in Pakistan.

Then other factors like questionable miniaturisation without testing (and considerably weight/volume penalty if same spherical implosion as validated in chagai)....and also the utility of having asset with warhead concentration in the war gaming with India (given you effectively offer a 3 for 1 instead of hedging in 1 for 1 in first strike scenario opponent does on you with limited total warhead number). The latter argument is also why Nasr gets dulled a good deal if you look at the fissile material needed per yield delivered (and sacrificed yield for strategic warhead)....though the other arguments apply to Nasr in various ways too.
 
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Many other factors...the biggest one I see is making the payload/range claim work with the delV on offer by the volume of fuel and its type (Isp)....i.e the energy imparted.

A detailed estimate can be done (I started on one some time back but never got around to completing it).....but one can easily compare to the factors other countries have for their MIRV's too and scale for range/payload....and why they went for those, that too with lot larger warhead numbers (and yields/warhead) than found in Pakistan.

Then other factors like questionable miniaturisation without testing (and considerably weight/volume penalty if same spherical implosion as validated in chagai)....and also the utility of having asset with warhead concentration in the war gaming with India (given you effectively offer a 3 for 1 instead of hedging in 1 for 1 in first strike scenario opponent does on you with limited total warhead number). The latter argument is also why Nasr gets dulled a good deal if you look at the fissile material needed per yield delivered (and sacrificed yield for strategic warhead)....though the other arguments apply to Nasr in various ways too.
To clear the matter here is the video of the original press conference from 1998 about the test of Pakistani first strategic nuclear ballistic missile Ghauri.
Listen how much the payload weighed back then?. Pakistani warhead were small in size from the start.

 
Don't forget that Pakistani space program is older than Indian and Pakistani nuclear weapons program is far more streamlined and coordinated than India's.
That's because all Pakistani missile and nuclear program is government run.
India has many private firms involvement and profitability is paramount.
Indian missile manufacturing is business based and often they make missile which may not have appropriate warheads.

Pakistani missile program is run by the same people who run the nuclear warhead program not by some Ambani businesses man.
Yeah! Pakistani space program is older and more mature than India's... Pakistan launches satellites every month and has reached moon and mars, soon will reach Venus and will have heavy lift vehicle and will give Ariane space a run for money...😁

BTW Mukesh Ambani alone can buy out entire Pakistan. Just do some research...😁😁😁😁😂😂😂
 
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It's quite funny (and indicative of a bigger underlying problem) how many Pakistanis think or believe that their nuclear program is more advanced than India's.
 
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It's quite funny (and indicative of a bigger underlying problem) how many Pakistanis think or believe that their nuclear program is more advanced than India's.

They are yet to completely wean themselves off of liquid fuel missiles.
 
That's because all Pakistani missile and nuclear program is government run.

Cant stop laughing.

Is there a reason why other pakistani government run institutes and programs are utter failure, but weapon program succeeds without having any research base or proof of concept of primary technology in civilian use?
 
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