We're getting some new AWACS fitted on an Airbus body. Which should also double up as fuel ships.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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We're getting some new AWACS fitted on an Airbus body. Which should also double up as fuel ships.
Not anytime soon. It's not signed yet and the proposal is initially only for 2 and another 4 after. looks like it will take another 2 years (IST) to just sign the deal and god only knows about their delivery. And the concept of duel use is only on paper that feature is not on the table I believe.
Possible Pulwama type attack planned in and by Pakistan. Now the 'information' is shared they can execute it with impunity, blame it on our failure and highlight Kashmir on world stage, so we will be villain and victim both.
Alert in J&K after Pakistan’s input to India and US on threat of ‘IED-vehicle’ attack
Alert in J&K after Pakistan’s input to India and US on threat of ‘IED-vehicle’ attack
First you will laugh at him, then dismiss him, then he will win
We can ignore the warning, let the attack happen and heap retribution for 27th Feb. We can later claim there was no such warning. This game can be played both ways.
They are very clever, they shared it with US too and US shared it with us. So we got it twice.
No matter. If the attack is executed, we retaliate. Our explanation can always be as to how did they know an attack is due. That too from a group which is an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Americans can go suck a candy.
Arrest someone , take confessions that it was ISI that planned it and then informed India and US about it to play victim , it can be played both ways
Let's see how we will play it both ways. This is what happens when you let the snake breathe instead of chopping the head off.
Pakistan has probed Modi well in all type of situations, they know how far he is willing to go. After Modi they were rattled because of his hard stance and they didn't attack India for quite some time, then they got opening in Kashmir and their 1st major attack was Pathankot -7 dead, then Nagrota HQ attack there too we lost quite a few good high ranking officers and soldiers then Uri -19 dead, then Pulwama - 40+ dead.
Modi should never have made the threats of 27th night if there was even 5% probability of not following thru. Events of that night may have immediate short term small impact but serves very bad in long term. One of the main reason why Pakistan feel so courageous to attack us is their feeling that we will not do anything, we don't have it in us, the Hindu Baniya mentality more interested in business then fight back, that 'doing nothing' misconception may have gone now after two strikes but it establishes a new normal.
A new normal where Pakistan can kill Indians openly and even after significant risk, prepration, perfection and help of almighty we strike back they can deny and we struggle to establish credible deterrence. We won't be so lucky every time we strike back like WC episode, we shot down a very capable enemy aircraft still him being captured left a bad aftertaste and that significant event didn't get it's due credit.
I still don't understand why we are not choking Pakistan financially when they are in so fragile state. We don't need to go to war, just keep the border engaged and their defence expenditure break their back. Unless we promised someone to deescalate, what we got in return of it is inexplicable. Both Hafiz and Azhar are safe and breathing even after these big attacks on a nation of 125 crores, killing pawns 100 or 1000 won't change anything at all, that's a nation of 20 crore and there is no storage of Jiahdis there. If we keep up like this we may redefine cowardice.
India can also tell Pak and USA that prevent this attack and if this attack takes place, they will take action against terroists inside pakistan...
Things don't work that way friend, not when you exposed your depth. Keep your strength hidden and enemy will always fear, expose yourself and see how enemy harasses you.
It's a development program, so it's gonna take a few years.
In the meantime, there will be 2 more Phalcons.
Bigger players at work.
Big brother. USAs dependence, russia's peak in regional control and Arab money
It's not India Vs Pak anymore.
They are always there, there were some guarantees after Mumbai attack, whatever happened to them? Why we always falling for fake western promises?
They can't make Pakistan help in Afghanistan, isn't it very naïve to expect them to deliver for us? They make promises to cool us down not because they mean it.
Failsafe's change as the dynamics alter, the US took the F16 stand clearly as well, it augments to their current and constantly increasing dependance in PAK, first it was AQ, IS now its IRAN, they're in love, not going anywhere. China well, never mind, its Russian's new outreach that
shocks me, the desire for some foothold in Pakistan after Syria is a shakeup, along with weapon sales.
Having stood up to all that and being clear Modi has done more than one would have expected, he even had a saudi negotiator
eat his brains on the 27th, additionally he got the world to okay balakot as our right, that's another win, the precedence is set, #ghuskemarenge
The follow up, well when have we followed up ? having said that, i see some domestic remapping, boy does it look promising.
Additionally we aren't really failing for western promises are we ?
we found intel, we shared intel, we went and got some, then we stopped giving a ____ about intervention
huffed and puffed, the world saw it, they knew, Ghandhian habits have worn off, Netaji is trending
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Interestingly I also use to say same about Pak US relations. They need Pakistan most for all their dirty work, a country under control of army so nothing to worry about opposition, full of potential suicide bombers with infrastructure in place to increase the production at demand, such useful assets can be very helpful when all your enemies Iran, Russia and China are just stone throw away and when your strategy backfires someone to take the blame. Who better than Pakistan? That's why I was never hopeful of US helping India beyond rhetoric.Failsafe's change as the dynamics alter, the US took the F16 stand clearly as well, it augments to their current and constantly increasing dependance in PAK, first it was AQ, IS now its IRAN, they're in love, not going anywhere. China well, never mind, its Russian's new outreach that
shocks me, the desire for some foothold in Pakistan after Syria is a shakeup, along with weapon sales.
Having stood up to all that and being clear Modi has done more than one would have expected, he even had a saudi negotiator
eat his brains on the 27th, additionally he got the world to okay balakot as our right, that's another win, the precedence is set, #ghuskemarenge
The follow up, well when have we followed up ? having said that, i see some domestic remapping, boy does it look promising.
Additionally we aren't really failing for western promises are we ?
we found intel, we shared intel, we went and got some, then we stopped giving a ____ about intervention
huffed and puffed, the world saw it, they knew, Ghandhian habits have worn off, Netaji is trending
And it feels like an incremental progress policy on Pakistani front instead of sweeping changes I was so much hopeful after Modi and full majority. So even after high decibel rhetoric we should be ready to tolerate more attacks, bide our time till the gap between the two nations is big enough to work as effective deterrence.
Do we need to financially choke Pakistan ? Can you please explain how Pakistan is going to recover from it's current situation?? When a country is choking itself why should we get our hands dirty? Yes, it's always good to accelerate the process. But that comes with a huge risk. When pushed to a corner, even the weakest person might retaliate with all it's might. In this case, if Pakistan retaliates with few blasts across major Indian cities, it will certainly have some impact on our economy which is highly undesirable at this point of time. Remember, Pakistan does not have much to loose and that's a hard reality we need to live with.
If Pakistan is clever ( as per your claim), it will try to avoid any major attack in near future. The cost of escalation is too high for them and Pak army simply cannot afford. Having said that, there can still be attacks like Phulwana, because non-state actors are not always directly controlled by Pak army/govt and the cost vs benefit ratio is very different for these non state actors.
Practically it's in our interest that the Pakistan government continues to operate, but with a weaker economy. Imagine the chaotic situation, if Pakistan government breaks down!! All that shit which they are currently dealing with, will spill over to us. Even US could not create effective replacement systems in Iraq and Afganisthan. Would you like an ISIS or Taliban operating next to our border ??
If somebody claims to predict Modi's next move, then good luck to him
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In 10 more years, there will be nothing the Russians can offer us in terms of military wares. You can actually say our defence cooperation has peaked. So they have to nurture new markets. It won't be unreasonable to expect Russia will become a major weapons supplier to Pakistan after 2030-35.
Its not about what Russia can sell, its about what all Russia can sell out on us
Some of our prized possessions come from moscow, like the BrahMos, end users are in place,
whats stops NEW RESEARCH ?
Are you considering a carrier in DRDO? If not, what explains the optimism? Btw - your report card on Modi 1.0 as far as defence planning and procurement goes, which you claimed to be an unqualified success and which you promised @R!cK some 7-8 months ago and myself in March'19 , is still awaited.
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