Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

Defc0n said:
They will definitely not share the “other stuff” on board those aircrafts, yes, plural!
Flood relief is surely a great cover!


I have a great deal of respect for what @Hellfire posts! His window of operation [5th - 10th] was recently validated when it came out that decision was in on 5th - so he is definitely at a position somewhere (or has a source) that knows these things.

That post sent a chill down my spine - I have a feeling it’s not only a flare up with Pak but something larger at play (can also include a conflict with Pak). Looks like US wants their pound of flesh and they are going to try to extract it somehow!


Sounds right based on information available in Public. However, something tells me that the missile that was intercepted over Sirsa was not a Fatah - the size of explosion was way too big to be a Fatah and there is no evidence whatsoever which can indicate the type of the missile. Some speculate that it was a CM-400 (more probable than a Fatah) - but then also, there are doubts. Shaheen is surely part of Pak nuclear forces, but, that doesn’t mean they don’t have any with conventional warheads. For all their nuclear sabre rattling, they too know that they cannot afford to use a Nuke, so, I am pretty sure they have some BMs with HE conventional warheads - thermobarric may be?
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May it was a CM-400 but I don't think any PAF jets were even in the air at that point to be in range to shoot at Delhi .

The reason they won't fire Shaheen is that India would not know if they were launching a nuke attack , that too at the capital . Same reason India never shot off Prithvi or Agni missiles .

When the Brahmos was inducted there was clamor to designate it dual use but India made very very clear that it will never be used with a nuclear warhead . In hind sight a wise decision because it opened the way for it to be used in conventional conflict .

As I said before Pakistan is now trying to do the same thing because they found that they had very little to shoot back with in the conventional space . Expect them to designate versions of cruise missiles soley for conventional use .
 
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May it was a CM-400 but I don't think any PAF jets were even in the air at that point to be in range to shoot at Delhi .

The reason they won't fire Shaheen is that India would not know if they were launching a nuke attack , that too at the capital . Same reason India never shot off Prithvi or Agni missiles .

When the Brahmos was inducted there was clamor to designate it dual use but India made very very clear that it will never be used with a nuclear warhead . In hind sight a wise decision because it opened the way for it to be used in conventional conflict .

As I said before Pakistan is now trying to do the same thing because they found that they had very little to shoot back with in the conventional space . Expect them to designate versions of cruise missiles soley for conventional use .
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Yep I am not disputing your logic, in fact, if you go through the earlier thread, I myself wrote something on similar lines. My honest take is that, logically yes, they should not have - but given this is Pakistan that we are dealing with, we never know. If it was not CM-400, it was sure as hell not Fatah, no way Fatah causes an explosion of that magnitude on interception. So, if it was not Shaheen, it was something else of a pretty large calibre. I assume, you have seen the interception video which was caught via two different CCTV cams.

On a side note:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1964639728386613501

Indications of things to come?

Not sure what to make of this:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1964635605767483652

Why are we setting up so many important things at the direct mercy of US!
 
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Defc0n said:
Yep I am not disputing your logic, in fact, if you go through the earlier thread, I myself wrote something on similar lines. My honest take is that, logically yes, they should not have - but given this is Pakistan that we are dealing with, we never know. If it was not CM-400, it was sure as hell not Fatah, no way Fatah causes an explosion of that magnitude on interception. So, if it was not Shaheen, it was something else of a pretty large calibre. I assume, you have seen the interception video which was caught via two different CCTV cams.

On a side note:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1964639728386613501

Indications of things to come?

Not sure what to make of this:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1964635605767483652

Why are we setting up so many important things at the direct mercy of US!
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Maybe a Fateh 2..? It's supposed to be bigger and the Barak system is also direct impact interception which will cause a big blast ... but who knows. We can only guess based on publically available info.

The US has a lot of tech we need. Shouldn't be cutting off our nose to spite the face .
 
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Interested said:
Maybe a Fateh 2..? It's supposed to be bigger and the Barak system is also direct impact interception which will cause a big blast ... but who knows. We can only guess based on publically available info.

The US has a lot of tech we need. Shouldn't be cutting off our nose to spite the face .
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Sure, but what about reliability? They can stop things at will and then what? We will face the same problem we are facing with engines.. and now, US is arming Pak against India.

Reg Farah-2, range looks suspect, not entirely sure it could reach Delhi unless it was fired from pretty close to the border.
But given the lack of info, who knows, could be anything..
 
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Sure, but what about reliability? They can stop things at will and then what? We will face the same problem we are facing with engines.. and now, US is arming Pak against India.

Reg Farah-2, range looks suspect, not entirely sure it could reach Delhi unless it was fired from pretty close to the border.
But given the lack of info, who knows, could be anything..
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Aneel is a thorium based fuel. Our BARC is also researching on it. I believe you know how important thorium based reactor is for India given our resources.

And this fuel will 100% help our scientists in researching it as well as do first hand experiments on how it interacts during the fission cycle.

So, we aren't relying on them to use ANEEL as a regular import like oil. But to study it and blend our own. And this is just the start. Thorium tech has still a lot far to go. Atleast I hope BARC is able to glean a lot out of it and fast-track thorium tech. Afterall that's the whole reason we are after it. For self reliance.

Plus, India can potentially export some thorium too. But I hope not. We need as much as we can.
 
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Aneel is a thorium based fuel. Our BARC is also researching on it. I believe you know how important thorium based reactor is for India given our resources.

And this fuel will 100% help our scientists in researching it as well as do first hand experiments on how it interacts during the fission cycle.

So, we aren't relying on them to use ANEEL as a regular import like oil. But to study it and blend our own. And this is just the start. Thorium tech has still a lot far to go. Atleast I hope BARC is able to glean a lot out of it and fast-track thorium tech. Afterall that's the whole reason we are after it. For self reliance.

Plus, India can potentially export some thorium too. But I hope not. We need as much as we can.
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The question is the timeline and how much we need to get from US before we have self reliance that we are looking for. Given how things are with US, it is just a roll of dice, they can do whatever they want, whenever they want to. They can even dishonour the agreements (all of them) in the name of “sanctions” and “stopping Modi’s war”.
 
Defc0n said:
They will definitely not share the “other stuff” on board those aircrafts, yes, plural!
Flood relief is surely a great cover!


I have a great deal of respect for what @Hellfire posts! His window of operation [5th - 10th] was recently validated when it came out that decision was in on 5th - so he is definitely at a position somewhere (or has a source) that knows these things.

That post sent a chill down my spine - I have a feeling it’s not only a flare up with Pak but something larger at play (can also include a conflict with Pak). Looks like US wants their pound of flesh and they are going to try to extract it somehow!


Sounds right based on information available in Public. However, something tells me that the missile that was intercepted over Sirsa was not a Fatah - the size of explosion was way too big to be a Fatah and there is no evidence whatsoever which can indicate the type of the missile. Some speculate that it was a CM-400 (more probable than a Fatah) - but then also, there are doubts. Shaheen is surely part of Pak nuclear forces, but, that doesn’t mean they don’t have any with conventional warheads. For all their nuclear sabre rattling, they too know that they cannot afford to use a Nuke, so, I am pretty sure they have some BMs with HE conventional warheads - thermobarric may be?
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Shaheen needs a TEL to be fired. The moment they move out even a single TEL, Nukes will fly from India.
 
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babablacksheep said:
Fattah 2 most likely.
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According to you where was it fired from? It has a range of ~350-400 KMs, right? If the target was Delhi, they would have had to fire it pretty close to the border then given Sirsa is around ~250 KMs from Delhi and ~130-150 KMs from the border. They got their launchers that close to the border to launch ? 🤨
vstol Jockey said:
Shaheen needs a TEL to be fired. The moment they move out even a single TEL, Nukes will fly from India.
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Not disagreeing here, but you seriously don’t think they have some conventional warhead based BMs (not Rocket artillery) in place ? With the focus on induction of Pralay and Prahaar, it does look like India is moving in that direction because we see that there is a scope of BMs use without Nukes (Iran v Israel being the case in point).

Also, I wonder why Kirana was hit - they surely did something that caused us to hit it as a warning shot!
 
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Defc0n said:
According to you where was it fired from? It has a range of ~350-400 KMs, right? If the target was Delhi, they would have had to fire it pretty close to the border then given Sirsa is around ~250 KMs from Delhi and ~130-150 KMs from the border. They got their launchers that close to the border to launch ? 🤨
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Fattah 2 missile is part of long range mlrs, part of pak rocket force, its supposed to operate relatively close to the border.


Defc0n said:
Not disagreeing here, but you seriously don’t think they have some conventional warhead based BMs (not Rocket artillery) in place
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Long range rocket artillary basically use tactical and short range ballistic missiles
Fattah 2 is a short range ballistic missile.
 
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babablacksheep said:
Fattah 2 missile is part of long range mlrs, part of pak rocket force, its supposed to operate relatively close to the border.



Long range rocket artillary basically use tactical and short range ballistic missiles
Fattah 2 is a short range ballistic missile.
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Yeah, I was not talking about "MRLS" based systems to be specific, even though they are technically, "Quasi-Ballistic" is nature. I was talking about the missile class which will be equivalent to our Prithvi - those are also SRBMs but are true ballistic missiles with higher payload carrying capacity.

Secondly, I think Pakistan created their "Rocket Force" in August 2025 - After OP Sindoor. I remember Western Command releasing the info about the potential use of Shaheen by Pakistan and later they backtracked. IA also said "no drones came" on 10th Night and 11th Night when there were multiple confirmations - so, I believe this was part of a strategy to control the escalation for obvious reasons. Had the info been officially accepted, the question would have been exactly what @vstoljovkey mentioned, did we know what kind of payload that had? What does our doctrine say about such situations?
Some information was "managed" by IA and GoI and this could be one of them in my opinion .
 
Defc0n said:
The question is the timeline and how much we need to get from US before we have self reliance that we are looking for. Given how things are with US, it is just a roll of dice, they can do whatever they want, whenever they want to. They can even dishonour the agreements (all of them) in the name of “sanctions” and “stopping Modi’s war”.
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Our goal ( 3 stage nuclear vision) is different from this ANEEL fuel. Our long term strategic goal has been to build thorium based reactor. Not just fuel like ANEEL.
So, we won't be dependent on it as it's not critical for us. This is more for experience and tech gain for scientist. To see the application in real and gather data.

Aneel works in PHWR, which are essentially uranium reactors, not thorium. Its purely for early experience gain on handling of thorium and the supply chain.
Our PHWR rely on uranium which we import from multiple nations.

And this is been worked upon since ages. One of the rare domain where india has seen long term strategic vision and continuity across govts
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1964903519049392530

https://twitter.com/x/status/1964905467060400439
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Defc0n said:
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