Ukraine - Russia Conflict

The bigger question will be, is NATO ready to suffer a mutually assured destruction? Or rather, if Russia deploys tactical nukes in Kiev, will NATO be willing to go on a war with Russia? What about a nuclear war with Russia?
China doesn't want to see a nuclear first strike. And Russia cannot afford to lose China.

What will France do if French deaths start happening in the battle? Is france going to be willing to commit fully to this war?
We've lost troops in less important conflicts, to defend less grateful countries. If Russia targets French troops away from the frontlines, France will take the steps needed to prevent repeat attacks, such as by destroying the aircraft that launched those missiles.
 
If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?

If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?

An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France, and eventually Poland, I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.

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The probability of Trump winning the election are very high. The probability of US leaving NATO are also high for several reasons. But mainly financial and several capabilty gaps identify (in the navy, in the USAF due to the F-35 and in the US Army for example the artillery) so that Trump would decide to leave but no one in the USA would disagree. They can only fight in one front.
In Europe more and more countries agree to not anymore rely on USA to defend Europe. That's a first point.

The second point is that no one can realy tell if Poutine want to invade a new part of Europe. But if he is succefull in Ukraine he will be more powerfull politically speaking, military speaking thanks to bigger human and commercial ressources and geopolically speaking since he would be the first agricultural producer able to influence all the prices all over the world.

The result is that Poutine has to be defeated in Ukrain only.

With that in mind, and taking account that ukrain offer a good resistance. Several level of aids can be proposed. For my part I think that where Ukrain need the most aid is in the air and in counterdrone. Russian are to quiet at a distance from 10 to hundreds kilometers from the front. That's where France can help.

At the first speach of Macron he was alone. But now all the east european countries have agreed with him on the strategy. Yo can also add Netherland, and all the Baltic countries. I have absolutly no worries about England, all over the centuries they have always engaged troops when the continent was on fire. Where I am worrying more is about Germany, Spain and Italy.

All that taken into count France can send a first contingent of 10000 to 15000 soldiers and give the signals to all the others to also send some soldiers. I think that in a first effort 40000 to 45000 very well equiped and trained soldiers could be send.

Then you have to take into account the leading capabilities. Only France and England have such real capacities. For NATO all over the last twenty years England and France have always been there to assist every other european nations when it was their turn to take the lead.

Then we have to speak in term of logistics. What have we to produce to sustained our forces ? Ammunition production is a real deterrence factor by itself, as fighter production or tanks or any other weapons production. In europe lots of these production capacity are lacking. Thanks to the hard ukrainians resistance we have had time to leverage theses capabilities. We have lost two years to take the good resolution in relying to much on the ukrainian resistance. But the capability gap is reducing more and more.
 
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For Ukraine it will be ... actually a really messed up position.

What will France do if French deaths start happening in the battle? Is france going to be willing to commit fully to this war? If not, they will have to pull back troops or suffer deaths for no good reason. If they pull back, suddenly Ukraine will find itself in a position where it has over committed and left critical borders unsafe.

The core question for france will always be this: Whats France's plan in this? Are they ready to fully commit to this conflict? Or are they planning to just stay on sidelines?
Who knows what Macron's plan is but French troops won't be alone this would be a coalition of the willing likely including Poland and Baltic NATO states. I really do think the Euros believe that Russia wants to go further than Ukraine as in Moldova which is a redline for Europe especially Romania. Stop the Russian east of the derp river is their goal.
 
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Who knows what Macron's plan is but French troops won't be alone this would be a coalition of the willing likely including Poland and Baltic NATO states. I really do think the Euros believe that Russia wants to go further than Ukraine as in Moldova which is a redline for Europe especially Romania. Stop the Russian east of the derp river is their goal.
We should pressure them into a deal where they cannot strike east of the river, or Russia gets struck in return.
 
The first footage of motorcycles being used in assault operations in Ukraine. The video was filmed in the Seversky direction and shortened. Russian artillery strikes a strong point of the Ukrainian army, after which Russian units, "Storm" and "Zarya", advance to the strong point on motorcycles. The battle is not shown; the Ukrainian unit reportedly retreated from the strong point.

 
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Who knows what Macron's plan is but French troops won't be alone this would be a coalition of the willing likely including Poland and Baltic NATO states. I really do think the Euros believe that Russia wants to go further than Ukraine as in Moldova which is a redline for Europe especially Romania. Stop the Russian east of the derp river is their goal.
From the looks of it, US is in no mood for a direct confrontation with Russia. UK, also highly doubt.
 
If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?

If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?

An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France, and eventually Poland, I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.

@Picdelamirand-oil ; @Amarante ; @Bon Plan ; @Herciv ; @halloweene

Whatever the West wants to do can only happen after Russia makes its first move in the summer.

If the Russians are planning an end-all offensive this summer, the West's participation will become meaningless. If the Russians take it slow as usual, there's gonna be plenty of room to maneuver.

As for Macron, I think he's just peacocking for good press knowing fully well he will be vetoed by other states. And any unilateral action he does take will only extend to sending some regular units in the form of mercenaries. And these mercenaries could either directly participate at the front or only serve to free up Ukrainian troops in the rear for frontline duties, which can have a multiplier effect. For example, a few thousand French troops can free up tens of thousands of Ukrainians along the Belarussian border knowing Belarus is unlikely to escalate things with France. Of course, I think Macron is just playing to the gallery 'cause his rival RN is gaining a lot of domestic support.

 
From the looks of it, US is in no mood for a direct confrontation with Russia. UK, also highly doubt.
Not in the mood where it makes the US look like it wanted the fight. US needs an escalation by the other side for instance like a rogue Russian missile hitting Poland or like the close call where a Flanker almost shot down a British ISR aircraft and because of faulty Russian missile it didn't happen.

US is going to keep saying we don't want a conflict while at the same time they arm Ukraine and are likely guiding some of Ukraines longer range weapons.
 
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Yeah, it'd be the golden opportunity to demonstrate why France had been right all along.

Direct intervention requires participation in large numbers. Would that be acceptable?

If even the standing army is not enough, some conscription/draft will be required.
 
The first footage of motorcycles being used in assault operations in Ukraine. The video was filmed in the Seversky direction and shortened. Russian artillery strikes a strong point of the Ukrainian army, after which Russian units, "Storm" and "Zarya", advance to the strong point on motorcycles. The battle is not shown; the Ukrainian unit reportedly retreated from the strong point.


Balls of steel.
 
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Balls of steel.
Su-34 has been termed as real-workhorse by Sergei Shoigu last year. As per him these fighter-bombers are making 5-6 sorties per day at a high tempo. So in case of any war, our Flankers could also do the same. What's your opinion on this: Russian Defense Minister Calls to Speed Up Bomber Production - The Moscow Times

Last time I had a debate with @Parthu where he said that our Flankers can at best take 2 or 3 sorties max pet day. But Su-34s doing 5/6 sorties for a long time should open a new chapter in this debate, IMO.