Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Seeing @BMD defend France literally takes my breath away. Maybe he could sell for our benefit a few Rafales after all? :ROFLMAO:

Sometimes it's hard to remember that we're on the same side.:cool:

I guess both of you are not aware the UK betrayed France.

Pretty old video from a French documentary, but shows how France was kept in the dark the entire time.

Another meaningless conversation Macron had with Putin a few days before the invasion.

Why meaningless? Zelensky was listening to someone else.
 
I guess both of you are not aware the UK betrayed France.

Pretty old video from a French documentary, but shows how France was kept in the dark the entire time.

Another meaningless conversation Macron had with Putin a few days before the invasion.

Why meaningless? Zelensky was listening to someone else.
The video is about Putin's delusions.

It is known that 5 eyes told the EU as a whole that Russia was planning to invade months before, but the EU did not believe us.

Tor SAM System Destroyed by HIMARS​

For the first time in a month, Ukraine will release 10 self-propelled guns "Bohdan" per month​

 
Now Russia is getting seriously close to triggering Article 5.



Baerbock has summoned Russia’s ambassador to Berlin, Sergei Nechayev, for an explanation, a move that happened with unusual haste, suggesting authorities had unequivocal proof of the link between the plot and the Kremlin.

This could be just the pretext needed to authorise Ukrainian strikes on Russian soil using western weapons.
 
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I guess both of you are not aware the UK betrayed France.

Pretty old video from a French documentary, but shows how France was kept in the dark the entire time.

Another meaningless conversation Macron had with Putin a few days before the invasion.

Why meaningless? Zelensky was listening to someone else.
macron is the successor to boris johnson, becoming irrelevant.
 
No, it had nothing to do with plausible deniability. Flag forces don't move for mercs. The Russians sent the mercs to their deaths.
Yeah, but that's because they're Russians and therefore don't care if they lose their forces to a pointless suicide attack. It wasn't the intended result; it was just a result they were willing to accept.

You're just going for a four-dimensional chess conspiracy theory because you prefer that to simply admitting that the Russian strategists are just callous and incompetent.
That's what I'm saying too. It doesn't trigger Art 5.

Ukraine isn't NATO-protected soil, where the war will begin.
As long as Russia doesn't attack French (or other NATO country) soil, then Article 5 is not triggered, yes.

But if Russia decides to escalate by an attack on NATO-protected soil, then it's on them.
It's like this: If France occupies Odessa, and Russia wants it, let's say a shooting match begins. If all the shooting stays in Ukraine, then all good. But if France attacks Russian soil, which I'd say now includes Donbas and other areas under Russian control
That's ridiculous. You know EU/NATO stance on what Russian territory is, it's what is legitimately recognized as Russian territory, in other words, the 1991 borders. As you know, Western-supplied weapons have come up with a restriction of not using them on targets on Russian territory, and Ukraine has happily used them to target sites in the Donbass and in Crimea, without anybody complaining.

Otherwise, two can play this game. Let's say that France declares to unilaterally annex all of Ukrainian territory. Now if Russia keeps its genocidal missile strikes on Ukrainian cities, that's magically an attack against NATO, thanks to people just being able to declare such or such territory now belongs to them because they said it. That's good for kids playing make believe in the school's courtyard; but it's not how the real world works.
, then France will open itself to Russian attacks in French territories. If this happens, NATO is unlikely to intervene 'cause France has brought it upon itself. Meaning, France cannot use this as an excuse to trigger Art 5.
Nope, nope, nope. Russia attacks France, Article 5 is invoked, Russia gets its *censored* kicked. That's how it works.
Even if this does happen, the only way Art 5 would trigger is if the US is ready to fight Russia. France cannot influence this outcome on its own.
America is dumb and cowardly, but there are plenty of people who are eager to get rid of the Russian threat. Again you're making a mistake if you think countries like Poland will be okay with Russian attacks against the EU just because America is too busy getting "great again" by sulking in the corner, sitting on its thumbs.
I don't believe European countries are stupid enough to get dragged into a war with Russia just 'cause France is uncomfortable with Turkey in the Black Sea, especially when the US is entirely focused on the Pacific.
This has nothing to do with Turkey, and France is perfectly happy to let the Turks enjoy their Black Sea waters as long as they stop trying to claim Greek territories in the Aegean and Eastern Med.
Hell, this was the US/UK objective. To get the EU to start contributing.
More bull conspiracy theories.
France/Germany were betrayed by their own allies once Boris convinced Zelensky to fight.
This, too, is bull. It's been debunked so many times.
I assume you have already seen the video of Macron and Zelensky right after the Russians invaded.
I've seen the video of Macron and Putin just before the invasion. Where Macron tells Putin that his demands don't make sense.
 

Ukraine claims it shot down a Russian strategic bomber. Moscow says the plane crashed​


 
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G7 foreign ministers confirm determination to strengthen Ukraine's air defense capabilities​

Looks like another friendly fire, either that or Ukraine rammed it with a drone.

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The Russian Defense Ministry said a “technical malfunction” 🤡 caused the crash.

Russian officials said the plane had crashed over the southern Stavropol region when it was flying back to base and at least one member of the crew had died.

Two other pilots were taken to the hospital and searches are underway for the fourth pilot, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency reported, citing the Defense Ministry.
 
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Rare footage of the combat work of the Russian air defense system "Pantsir-S1" in the Belgorod region of Russia. The video shows the interception of Ukrainian RM-70 Vampire MLRS missiles. As can be seen in the video, the combat work is quite effective and outwardly resembles the work of the Israeli Iron Dome air defense system. Reportedly, 25 shells of the RM-70 Vampire multiple launch rocket system and three unmanned aerial vehicles of the Ukrainian army were intercepted.