Transport Helicopters of IAF - CH-47F Chinook, Mi-17v-5, Dhruv ALH etc.

Taped on the cockpit door of an Army Aviation Corps Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter is a small sign that is a grim reminder that military logistics isn’t cheap: ‘Flying cost, Rs 7,17,000 per hour.’

 
Mi-17 chopper fleet could not be upgraded even after 18 years’
The CAG report also noted that the upgradation of Medium Lift Mi-17 Helicopters, proposed in 2002 to overcome their “operational limitation”, could not be achieved even after 18 years.

“As a result, these helicopters were flying with limited capability, thus compromising operational preparedness during these years,” it said.

The CAG further said that due to poor planning by the Ministry of Defence and indecision at various stages of procurement, it took 15 years to enter into the upgradation contract of 90 Mi-17 helicopters with an Israeli company — in January 2017.

The audit also states that while the contracted delivery of these upgraded helicopters had to begin July 2018 and was to be completed by 2024, 56 of these helicopters, even after upgradation, would be left with less than two years of life and would be phased out by 2024
 
Mi-17 chopper fleet could not be upgraded even after 18 years’
The CAG report also noted that the upgradation of Medium Lift Mi-17 Helicopters, proposed in 2002 to overcome their “operational limitation”, could not be achieved even after 18 years.

“As a result, these helicopters were flying with limited capability, thus compromising operational preparedness during these years,” it said.

The CAG further said that due to poor planning by the Ministry of Defence and indecision at various stages of procurement, it took 15 years to enter into the upgradation contract of 90 Mi-17 helicopters with an Israeli company — in January 2017.

The audit also states that while the contracted delivery of these upgraded helicopters had to begin July 2018 and was to be completed by 2024, 56 of these helicopters, even after upgradation, would be left with less than two years of life and would be phased out by 2024
I think HAL should invest they're money and start working on a 15-ton helicopter, They have a very stable design team, and a 15-ton helicopter is very much possible with this team. At least the team should look for the required engine later they can replace with similar indigenous engines.
 
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I think HAL should invest they're money and start working on a 15-ton helicopter, They have a very stable design team, and a 15-ton helicopter is very much possible with this team. At least the team should look for the required engine later they can replace with similar indigenous engines.
Exactly,28 years mean MI17 is approaching to end of its life. If HAL starts the work by now,they can fullfill our needs.
 
Exactly,28 years mean MI17 is approaching to end of its life. If HAL starts the work by now,they can fullfill our needs.
After the order of 83 LCA, MOD should force HAL to invest money in the development of this 15-ton helicopter project.
 
After the order of 83 LCA, MOD should force HAL to invest money in the development of this 15-ton helicopter project.
Its government company after all , government need not to force HAL,they are bound to follow what goi is asks them to do. They even sent the three lch to Ladakh for military use without securing a single order or without getting paid for that three copters.
 
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What you are trying to convey?
All that is happening is user trials. Nothing else.

LCH lacks ATGM, A2A missiles and it's Self Protection Suite. Without these the IAF itself won't certify the airframe without which nothing can actually be used even just for surveillance duties.
 
All that is happening is user trials. Nothing else.

LCH lacks ATGM, A2A missiles and it's Self Protection Suite. Without these the IAF itself won't certify the airframe without which nothing can actually be used even just for surveillance duties.
Asper media report LCH is in active duty at Ladakh,it may be only for surveillance as of now. Even Apaches are using there for surveillance. We will come to know LCH nature of duty in combat once indo Chinese military clash starts.
And LCH do have pencil rockets for air to surface role and mistal missile for air to air duty,so in actual combat there is a room for LCH.

By the way what I wrote above is three LCH were transferred to the military by HAL without taking a single rupee,do you have any doubt in it?
 
Asper media report LCH is in active duty at Ladakh,it may be only for surveillance as of now. Even Apaches are using there for surveillance. We will come to know LCH nature of duty in combat once indo Chinese military clash starts.
And LCH do have pencil rockets for air to surface role and mistal missile for air to air duty,so in actual combat there is a room for LCH.

By the way what I wrote above is three LCH were transferred to the military by HAL without taking a single rupee,do you have any doubt in it?
Which media lol ?

This is not how things work in IAF.

Who will be responsible if anything happens to the pilot for flying an uncertified aircraft? HAL , IAF or PM ? Even the Mig21s actually are certified and then are flown.

1. Only Mistral Launchers were bought. No missiles have been bought.

2. Unguided rockets were ordered only 6 months back. Will take time to actually start the deliveries.

Even for surveillance role the LCH will need it's Self Protection Suite, else even 80s era Strela Manpad will shoot it down, forget about modern MANPADs.

Actually Rudra is more capable than LCH on actually having its SPS Integrated.
 
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India already operates around ~240 Mi-17 helicopters and it phased out all Mi-8s after 45 years of service. Negotiations are undergoing for additional 48 units of Mi-17 V5 .

  • 53 Mi-17 ordered in Feb 86 (47 to IAF , 6 to Ministry of Home Affairs)
  • 40 Mi-17-1V ordered in May 2000
  • 80 Mi-17-V5s for USD1.34 billion in 2008
  • 70 Mi-17-V5 for USD1.53 billion in 2012
Source : BR , Janes, Hindu

Overhaul

Two-year residual life of 56 Mi-17s after ₹223-crore upgrade untenable: CAG

Upgrade of 90 copters of IAF proposed in 2002 could not be achieved even after 18 years, it points out
An upgrade of 90 medium lift Mi-17 helicopters of the Indian Air Force (IAF) proposed in 2002 could not be achieved even after 18 years, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) said as a result of which these “helicopters were flying with limited capability, thus compromising operational preparedness during these years” and the expenditure of about ₹223 crore was “not justified” with limited life left in 56 of them.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) concluded a contract with Elbit Systems of Israel for the upgrade of the 90 copters at ₹618.23 crore in January 2017. “After upgradation, 56 of these helicopters would be left with less than two years of life. The expenditure of ₹222.92 crore being incurred on their upgradation is not justified,” the CAG said in a report tabled in Parliament early this week.

The 56 helicopters would be phased out by 2024. In addition, for the upgradate, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and Bharat Electronics Limited were to supply ₹1,720 crore worth of essential components. Contract had yet not been concluded between the MoD and HAL, BEL for this supply. “Thus even after 18 years, upgradation of the helicopters has not been completed.”
Of the 90 copters, 56 were inducted into the IAF between 1984-89 and have a Total Calendar Life of 35 years.
Certain limitations
The Mi-17 and Mi-17 1V helicopters of the IAF had certain limitations in operating in adverse weather, night conditions and in electronic warfare dense battlefield. Due to this, the IAF initiated the proposal to upgrade 172 helicopters in 2002 and the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) was accorded by the Defence Acquisition Council in 2005. But the Request For Proposal was not issued even after two years as the IAF could not finalise the number of copters to be upgraded. After a series of delays, during which few helicopters were lost in accidents, a contract for the upgradate of 90 was signed with Elbit systems.
The report said that as per the contract, the two prototypes of each type of helicopter, Mi-17 and Mi-17 1V, would be upgraded by Elbit systems and delivered by July 2018 and January 2019 respectively.
The remaining 86, 54 Mi-17 and 32 Mi-17 1V, would thereafter be upgraded indigenously with transfer of technology from the vendor. For this, certain components and sub-systems were to be procured by HAL and BEL. “This involved an additional cost of ₹1,720 crore, the contract for which has not been concluded yet (June 2020),” the report stated.

What was IAF thinking here? Maybe they can switch the equipment to never versions after these airframes retire?
 
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HAL rolled out its 300th ALH Dhruv
 
Currently, HAL is executing an order for delivery of 72 helicopters for the Indian armed forces and Indian Coast Guard (ICG). The orders are for delivery of 40 Dhruv MkIII helicopters for the Indian Army (IA), 16 Dhruv MkIII helicopters for the ICG and 16 Dhruv MkIII helicopters for the Indian Navy (IN).

Out of the 40-helicopter order for the Indian Army – 22 are Dhruv Mark III utility helicopters and the remaining 18 are what we call as Weapon System Integrated (WSI) or ‘Rudra’ armed helicopters. HAL has completed production of the 22 utility helicopters ordered by the Army, ahead of the contracted delivery schedule. Out of the remaining order of 18 WSI helicopters, we have completed six helicopters.

As of October 1st week, I can tell you that the build of helicopters of 38 helicopters for IA, ICG and IN is over and we have completed their production. The remaining 34 helicopters will be completed by HAL in the middle of 2022-23.
 
There's limited scope for twin engine helicopters in civil market in India in my opinion. And without the European Certification, it will struggle to sell.

The single engine LUH has better prospects of replacing AW and Bells we have flying in VIP/VVIP roles today across the country.
16 Dhruv MkIII helicopters for the Indian Navy (IN).
1 additional was ordered for Navy I think bringing number to 17 from Navy.