When will those possibly reach India? have to go thru updations in Russia first! Expect in 2024-25
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When will those possibly reach India? have to go thru updations in Russia first! Expect in 2024-25
Those Mig29 , unlike the IAF fleet are already SMT built versions. The Russians will just do an inspection and certify them. And then IAF will install the missing components which will bring it at par with UPG fleet.
If the allocation is provided in 2020-21 budget, then by end of 2021 they will start arriving.
MIG 29 is still in production
We should buy 50 at least
Mk 1 A and MWF will be delayed
Again , new built Mig29 will not come so quickly, and will not come so cheap. The time line and costs will be similar to that of Tejas MK1A. It would be better to invest in that.
Russia had 28 single seat Mig29SMT and 6 Twin seater trainers stored for years. They will along with their upgrade costs and buying costs will hardly be 25 million USD per plane. Excluding the weapon package.
Instead of 21, in my opinion we should have bought all 34.
We have a detachment of Mig29 in Leh, that with these 13 more aircrafts can be converted to a full strength squadron.
Yeah that was one of the prime reason behind the HAL offer of additional 72 jets.
Sadly yes.
Finally, Southern India Gets First Su-30 MKI Squadron Tomorrow
By Shiv Aroor, Jan 19 2020, 6:21 pm
A force induction tomorrow on India’s peninsular tip will be one of the most significant in years. A squadron of the Indian Air Force’s most capable in-service jet, the Su-30 MKI will be commissioned into a unit in Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu — a unit dusted off the shelf after it was closed down in 2011.
The 222 Squadron ‘Tigersharks’, which began life in the late sixties in Ambala with a complement of Su-7 fighters was ‘number plated’ in 2011 after a stint with MiG-27 jets. It has been revived now to house Su-30 MKI planes marked out for the maritime role, which centres around a deterrent ethic, but includes anti-ship operations if the need arises.
India’s new Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat and IAF chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria will oversee the induction on Monday in Thanjavur. The IAF’s Southern Commander and Indian Navy’s Eastern Commander will also be in attendance, all part of an emphasis on tri-service unity.
While the IAF is rightly reluctant to point deployments at any one country or threat, the positioning of Su-30s for the first time in India’s south on a permanent basis (there have been temporary detachments before) is clearly at least in part a response to Chinese activity in the Indian Ocean, and specifically the Indian military’s area of responsibility.
There have been occasional incidents of suspicious or unauthorised Chinese maritime activity in Indian waters over the last five years. Most recently, last year, Chinese research vessel Shi Yan 1 was asked to leave after being spotted by the Indian Navy. Chinese submarines are also reported to have been detected in the southern Indian Ocean on more than one occasion in the last few years.
Sources tell Livefist that at least some of the Tigersharks squadron Su-30s will be modified versions capable of deploying a BrahMos-A supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. The BrahMos-A is expected to be cleared for operational service this year. The Indian Navy handles airborne anti-submarine operations with its fleet of P-8I jets stationed also in Tamil Nadu, about 300 km north of Thanjavur in Arakkonam.
The 222 Tigersharks will be the second fighter squadron in the state of Tamil Nadu. The other is the 45 Flying Daggers squadron housing the IAF’s first LCA Tejas Mk.1 jets situated 250 km east of Thanjavur in Sulur.
The IAF currently has over 250 Su-30s, and will operate a total of 272. It is also looking to procure about a dozen more from HAL which license-builds them near Nashik, Maharashtra. The IAF operates Su-30s from multiple bases, including Pune, Bareilly and Chabua. Detachments of the type are frequently sent to other bases. For instance, Su-30s have operates from the Srinagar and Adampur air bases before and since hostilities erupted between India and Pakistan a year ago.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/202...a-gets-first-su-30-mki-squadron-tomorrow.html
By Shiv Aroor, Jan 19 2020, 6:21 pm
A force induction tomorrow on India’s peninsular tip will be one of the most significant in years. A squadron of the Indian Air Force’s most capable in-service jet, the Su-30 MKI will be commissioned into a unit in Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu — a unit dusted off the shelf after it was closed down in 2011.
The 222 Squadron ‘Tigersharks’, which began life in the late sixties in Ambala with a complement of Su-7 fighters was ‘number plated’ in 2011 after a stint with MiG-27 jets. It has been revived now to house Su-30 MKI planes marked out for the maritime role, which centres around a deterrent ethic, but includes anti-ship operations if the need arises.
India’s new Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat and IAF chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria will oversee the induction on Monday in Thanjavur. The IAF’s Southern Commander and Indian Navy’s Eastern Commander will also be in attendance, all part of an emphasis on tri-service unity.
While the IAF is rightly reluctant to point deployments at any one country or threat, the positioning of Su-30s for the first time in India’s south on a permanent basis (there have been temporary detachments before) is clearly at least in part a response to Chinese activity in the Indian Ocean, and specifically the Indian military’s area of responsibility.
There have been occasional incidents of suspicious or unauthorised Chinese maritime activity in Indian waters over the last five years. Most recently, last year, Chinese research vessel Shi Yan 1 was asked to leave after being spotted by the Indian Navy. Chinese submarines are also reported to have been detected in the southern Indian Ocean on more than one occasion in the last few years.
Sources tell Livefist that at least some of the Tigersharks squadron Su-30s will be modified versions capable of deploying a BrahMos-A supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. The BrahMos-A is expected to be cleared for operational service this year. The Indian Navy handles airborne anti-submarine operations with its fleet of P-8I jets stationed also in Tamil Nadu, about 300 km north of Thanjavur in Arakkonam.
The 222 Tigersharks will be the second fighter squadron in the state of Tamil Nadu. The other is the 45 Flying Daggers squadron housing the IAF’s first LCA Tejas Mk.1 jets situated 250 km east of Thanjavur in Sulur.
The IAF currently has over 250 Su-30s, and will operate a total of 272. It is also looking to procure about a dozen more from HAL which license-builds them near Nashik, Maharashtra. The IAF operates Su-30s from multiple bases, including Pune, Bareilly and Chabua. Detachments of the type are frequently sent to other bases. For instance, Su-30s have operates from the Srinagar and Adampur air bases before and since hostilities erupted between India and Pakistan a year ago.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/202...a-gets-first-su-30-mki-squadron-tomorrow.html
The airframes are already built, never been used. So whatever time it takes to upgrade them.
No, these are Mig-29S, from the Cold War.
God, no. The Mig-29s have reached their absolute limit. The ones we operate as well as new build ones. We have so manu better options available now. Even Mk1As are better.
That's not going to work out. Too much preparation is needed from the IAF side also, so they can't just place orders arbitrarily and expect to get 12 a year operational.
What will we do to Stop the large fleet of JF 17s from firing their Stand off H 4s
We cannot use Rafales and Su 30s for 24 hour CAPs or use S 400 for every target inside Enemy Airspace
IAF might have no need for heavy air dominance fighters, but battlegroups dependent wholly on them for close air support require that IAF be a certain size at the minimum to be able to spare aircraft for CAS operations. IAF has their own priority in counter air operations. And faced with the choice of supporting ground forces of engaging in air dominance, they will be expected to pursue the later. That screws up the battleplans, all of which requires that the air and ground operations be executed earnestly before the enemy can respond effectively
It will not be publicly accepted, but it's also sort of an open secret. Ever since bofors scandal and the subsequent corrosion of the self propelled artillery arm of the mechanised formations, these battle groups have relied on CAS as the flying artillery to punch through and neutralize enemy strong points. Post 2004, the dependence on CAS increased as the force dispersion was increased and firepower concentrations were diluted to ensure minimum loss in case of a nuclear strike. The resulting loss of firepower was to be compensated by a strong line up of CAS specialist aircraft. Now during 1980s the sheer abundance of Jaguars, Mig 27s Mig 23 and even Mig 21s meant that we could be assured to adequate CAS for formations engaging in combat.
Now there is a critical shortage of aircraft that IA mech forces believe will be committed to CAS. The IAF sure as hell will not deploy Rafales or the next single engined fighter for regular boring CAS. Mig 21s are poor at it. That leaves the Sukhois and the LCA. And the LCA numbers will remain marginal till 2028 at least, till which time the new aricrafts joining in will be committed to interceptor duty. Only after IAF replaces the Mig-21s can we expect dedicated LCA squadrons to take up CAS as primary. Under these circumstances, if the IAF cannot raise their squadron numbers quickly and commit adequate numbers for CAS, the IA mech forces will lose their offensive capability. For the first time in 70 years the IA will decisively lose its offensive punch. Attempts are being made to address this rapidly deteriorating situation z both through induction of attack helis and through tweaking strategies. There are several doubts about the survivability of attack helis Ina contested battlefield and hence not much is expected of them to replace CAS fixed wing aircrafts. At a strategic level tough choices are all.we have. Increase concentrations of firepower to provide for loss of CAS but then vulnerability to area munitions and nukes increases. Or perhaps minimize the number of offensive formations to ensure they get CAS support. Or to move back from an offensive posture to a defensive one for the next decade. Tough choices that will directly infuence the direction of any future war
The idea is to make the PAF unflyable after the first 2 days. That should take care of the H4s or whatever else.
There was recently an article that was diametrically opposed to your view. A retired artillery general is of the opinion that IA can substitute airpower once enough precision guided artillery mated to UAVs is in place (although I do question the survivability of UAVs as well).
The Wider National Problem Beyond Pinaka – Strategic News Global
Anyway, we should be able to bring in 1500+ new guns and SPHs by 2028 though, not counting the Pinaka. So the smaller numbers of LCAs and Jaguars should be able to handle CAS missions considering the artillery numbers will be up by a significant amount, complemented by helicopters.
This Guy on Twitter has created a new thread on Twitter for Su 30 Upgradation and
Capabilities, very informative
Capabilities, very informative
We have that many air dominance aircraft.
What we have is too much for the PAF to face. They cannot fly in the face of that many aircraft, and with enough decapitation strikes on their air bases with MKIs, M2000s and Jaguars, there's not going to be much flying left for them.
To put things in perspective, just our fleet of Mig-21 Bisons, upgraded M2000s and Mig-29s alone, which are as many as 230 aircraft, are too much for the PAF to handle with their current inventory, never mind the MKI and upcoming SAMs.
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We have that many air dominance aircraft.
What we have is too much for the PAF to face. They cannot fly in the face of that many aircraft, and with enough decapitation strikes on their air bases with MKIs, M2000s and Jaguars, there's not going to be much flying left for them.
To put things in perspective, just our fleet of Mig-21 Bisons, upgraded M2000s and Mig-29s alone, which are as many as 230 aircraft, are too much for the PAF to handle with their current inventory, never mind the MKI and upcoming SAMs.
Sir , you do realise that PAF has 75 odd F 16s and 100 odd JF 17s
So please share something new with us
There's nothing new there. We outnumber them far too much for them to fight us. And the M2000UPG and Mig-29UPG are far more advanced than even their F-16 Block 52+, never mind their Block 40s.
And their JF-17s are not good enough. By their own admission, the JF-17 is significantly inferior to their F-16s, which says a lot.
You already know whatever's new, mentioned it many times, he's also covered some of it. In fact you already know more than what he's mentioned in that thread, you've simply forgotten about it. For example, the radar pod he talked about is EL/L-2060P. The new EW suite is called Dhruti. And so on.
The guy also forgot to mention Derby and ASRAAM integration on MKI.