Because the design was russian, and russia at those time intended to use Mig29.
I think.
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I think.
Or they won't base any of the 2 in Vikky.
Mig 29 k will be followed by TEDBF later .
*Maybe*, Rafale / SH will never go to vikramaditya. They are being bought for new aircraft carrier? Vikramaditya will stick with 29k??Exactly the point. 'Cause even if the land trials are successful, the Rafale or the carrier will still need modifications to fit inside the elevator. This would require time. If sea trials are conducted, then it's simply a part of the trials process. Once it begins, Dassault will have to back out. Hence bad news.
The Vikramaditya's widest elevator is 9.7m. And the elevator's in the middle of the deck giving the Rafale no wiggle room.
The smaller one.
You can see why it's impossible.
It's a very tight fit for the SH.
For all you know , the IN / ADA maybe collecting data points for designing the TEDBF . Otherwise the entire exercise doesn't make sense from a requirement or financial PoV. Don't be surprised if nothing comes out of the entire exercise.
Wasn't a trap. Just a bunch of amateurs trying something for the first time and underestimating what was needed.
The SU's carrier capabilities were inherited by the Ukranians. For the Russians, working on the Gorky was their very first attempt, and it's not like the IN knows any better, so they collectively screwed up. Hell, they even screwed up in chosing the right fire bricks.
Anyway, it was $2.3B, including a whole lot of other modifications planned for the first refit but was done simultaneously with the initial work. The work was carried out at cost price, the Russians did not make a profit.
You can see the haphazard manner in which the 7.5m wide Mig-29K was placed inside the lift. A 0.1m2 clearnace won't cut it.
The Rafale's 360 deg nose won't help, it needs all-wheel drive since the adjustments have to be done to the sides, not front and back.
Most likely to be the case if the IN wants the Rafale over the SH. It's the only way for the Rafale to have a chance without all the circus. The main goal of MRCBF is IAC-2 in any case.
Anyway, I don't think sea trials will be conducted.
Without real world testing on an aircraft carrier how would navy know how much Rafale M can carry on mission and lands safely and how much space will it take, and how it can fit into the lifts. Same for F18sh.
Personally I think F18sh has an upper hand due to folding wings and the fact it will be available almost immediately if leased and also the speed at which Boeing can deliver newly built too at faster pace than Rafale...
Even the Charles de Gaulle has to be renovated to deal totally with Rafale compare with the previous Charles de Gaulle witch has to deal also with Super Etendard.
If @Aashish were here, he would have listed out the strategic planning behind the deal..
Would have most probably mentioned
+ Support in R&D of Tedbf in carrier specific & twin engine modifications.
By Whoever wins the contract.
I remember MWF internals readjustment and some to be helped by F16 if it wins
Or by Dassault if Rafale wins.
Wonder what were agreed for that 36 .
Will review his posts this Sunday.
New German government revisits Tornado replacement options
Germany is once again weighing its options for replacing the country’s aging Tornado aircraft fleet, which could put the F-35 back on the table.
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“Dassault is not ready to accept Airbus as a partner on equal terms,” he told Defense News. “They are saying, ‘We’ll do FCAS, but only by our rules.’”
With Dassault’s export order books for its Rafale fighter full, the company may see less reason to agree on an FCAS fighter and focus on upgrades for its own jet instead, Brandl argued. In that sense, German talk of of an F-35 buy may serve as a fall-back option, he added.
@Picdelamirand-oil what does it means? You will only upgrade Rafale and will not pursue FCAS?
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How come Aashish is not posting in forums? I guess most of procurement numbers he posted turned out to be not correct. We ended with just 36 rafale.
Enjoyed his posts though.
New German government revisits Tornado replacement options
Germany is once again weighing its options for replacing the country’s aging Tornado aircraft fleet, which could put the F-35 back on the table.
“Dassault is not ready to accept Airbus as a partner on equal terms,” he told Defense News. “They are saying, ‘We’ll do FCAS, but only by our rules.’”
With Dassault’s export order books for its Rafale fighter full, the company may see less reason to agree on an FCAS fighter and focus on upgrades for its own jet instead, Brandl argued. In that sense, German talk of of an F-35 buy may serve as a fall-back option, he added.
@Picdelamirand-oil what does it means? You will only upgrade Rafale and will not pursue FCAS?
No, I can answer for the French in this one lmao. More Rafale orders and less Typhoon orders means France has the power to go it alone for FCAS. They did for Rafale and it worked out for the better.
Realistically the French negotiating position has never been stronger after the UAE, Egypt and Indonesia wins. India MRCA looks to be good or at least a minimum additional 36.
Aren't you aware ? He was arrested for violating the Official Secrets Act & later released on bail - the conditions of which were not to post online.
The SBTF simulates all that.
Yeah. Also a whole host of other factors due to the IN's greater proximity to the USN compared to the MN.
Don't think either are a problem for either contender.
Is this real or joke? Please clarify.
(Just kidding) Or was he actually Parrikar, who (unfortumately) passed away and can no longer post?
Pls check all his previous posts & compare it to what happened in real life. You'd get your answer.
New German government revisits Tornado replacement options
Germany is once again weighing its options for replacing the country’s aging Tornado aircraft fleet, which could put the F-35 back on the table.
“Dassault is not ready to accept Airbus as a partner on equal terms,” he told Defense News. “They are saying, ‘We’ll do FCAS, but only by our rules.’”
With Dassault’s export order books for its Rafale fighter full, the company may see less reason to agree on an FCAS fighter and focus on upgrades for its own jet instead, Brandl argued. In that sense, German talk of of an F-35 buy may serve as a fall-back option, he added.
@Picdelamirand-oil what does it means? You will only upgrade Rafale and will not pursue FCAS?
Both sides blackmailing each other.