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Dassault-Reliance JV to start making Falcon planes in India from 2025

Monday, 09 Oct 2023
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A joint venture (JV) of French aerospace major Dassault and Reliance Aerospace plans to start production of Falcon business jets in Nagpur, Maharshtra by 2025. The plan is to roll out the first Falcon 2000 LXS jet from Nagpur in early 2025.

The initial production capacity is planned for 18 aircraft a year, which could go up to 22 aircraft. The JV facility in Nagpur set up to meet the offset obligations under the Rafale aircraft deal, has been producing components of the fighter jet. The first cockpit assembly of Falcon 2000 was delivered from the facility in 2019.

The first deliveries from DRAL facility are planned for the French Defence Ministry, which has placed an order of nine aircraft with Dassault. The production of these business jets is set for completion in the next 18 months.

The Falcon jets, with a range of 3000-4000 nautical miles, see demand from the charter operators in India.
 

Dubai Air Show 2023 – Safran Electronics & Defense exhibits the latest improved version of its AASM HAMMER1000​

16/11/2023 Joseph Roukoz

The Highly Agile Modular Munition Extended Range, HAMMER in short, or ASSM in its French acronym (Armement Air-Sol Modulaire) is an intelligent, all-weather, stand-off air-to-ground munition developed in the early 2000s by Sagem, now Safran Electronics & Defense. The latest version of this modular weapon was shown by the French company at the Dubai exhibition

The AASM Hammer is a modular system made of a forward guidance kit and of a range extension kit mounted at the rear of an air-launched dumb bomb. a frontal guidance kit and a rear-mounted range extension kit, installed on a dumb bomb.

Currently two versions are available, the AASM HAMMER 250, where the kits are fitted to a Mk82 or a penetrating 500 lb (227 kg) bomb, and the AASM HAMMER 1000, where the ordnance is a BLU 109 or a Mk 84 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb. While the smaller one is designed to hit targets such as vehicles, buildings or fortifications, the bigger one due to its quadruple explosive loads is used to destroy bridges, airfields, ships or hardened targets.

In both cases the guidance kit is available in three different versions. The simpler one is an all-weather INS/GPS, which inertial element is based on Sagem’s HRG Crystal high-grade inertial system that provides good accuracy even in GNSS-denied areas. The second one retains the INS/GPS guidance, adding an IR seeker with digital scene matching algorithms in the terminal phase; not only this further increases accuracy, but its design allows high angle of incidence attack profiles, which for example permit to precisely hit a single building in the roof. To cope with moving targets a third type of guidance kit is available, the IR seeker being replaced by a semi-active laser seeker, which will bring the ordnance with utmost precision on the target illuminated by the aircraft itself or by an external laser source.

Depending on the bomb weight, different range extension kits are available. These feature a rocket booster and four fins that extend after launch. An option without booster is also available for the 250 version only, which then becomes a gliding bomb, however the rocket propelled solution is that of choice.

While the AASM HAMMER 250 has been in service for over a decade ago and is fully combat proven, the 1000 kg version presented at the Dubai Airshow entered operational service less than a year ago.

Safran declares it is developing a new propulsion kit that will considerably increase range. Available figures for the current version call for a 50 to 70 km range, the latter obtained when launching from very high altitude, around 50,000 ft (15,000 metres). EDR On-Line understood that Safran intends to double or even treble the range up 150 to 200 km.

The AASM Hammer 250 missile is currently used by the air forces Croatia, Egypt, India, Morocco and Qatar. It is also in service with the French Armée de l’Air, which for the time being is the only user of the AASM 1000, the weapon being integrated on its Rafale fighters updated to the F4.1 standard. The UAE Air Force will receive its Rafale F4 from 2027 on, therefore the presence in Dubai of the AASM/HAMMER 1000 was fully justified as contracts for the weapons that will arm those aircraft have yet to be signed.
 
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Excerpts from Question n°10564 - Assemblée nationale

Question: "Although the Rafale has a certain degree of stealth and a self-protection system with a reputation for performance, it does not, strictly speaking, have the capacity to neutralize advanced enemy anti-aircraft defenses by jamming their search and fire radars and eliminating them with anti-radiation munitions, as some aircraft (such as the American EA-18G Growler that the Germans are about to buy to replace their Tornado) can do. This capability would therefore be a real added value for the Rafale on the export market, as well as for the French air force and space agency internally. She therefore asks whether the government plans to ask Dassault Aviation to rapidly develop an electronic warfare Rafale.

Extracts Answer "Before the operationalization of the SCAF (air combat system of the future), which will be natively adapted to the least permissive environments in 2040, the evolutions of the Rafale and its armament will give our armies, by 2030-35, a credible capacity to destroy enemy defenses. In this context, the development of a version of the Rafale dedicated to electronic warfare does not appear necessary to maintain our operational superiority.
The Rafale's self-protection system is constantly evolving to provide the aircraft with increasingly robust threat detection and jamming capabilities, adapted to new threats.
Excerpts These developments already concern the F4 standard currently being deployed in the forces."

"these evolutions ... will also be at the heart of the development of the future F5 standard which will implement the future missile of the airborne component of the French deterrent (ASN4G). In accordance with the 2024-2030 military programming law, development of the Rafale F5 will include a stealth combat drone. This drone will act with stealth and lightning speed as an extension of the Rafale F5 (remote sensor and effector) to produce decisive effects in a network. With these features, the combat drone should be a cornerstone in the treatment of modern medium- and long-range anti-aircraft systems. Last but not least, the Rafale's armament panel will be enhanced by modernized munitions capable of destroying air defense systems that are both powerful and mobile. The air-to-ground armament of the future, a version adapted to destroying ground-to-air systems of the future anti-ship missile, and on-board and air-dropped systems for saturating the electromagnetic spectrum, will enable us to better take into account requirements for combating denial-of-access and area-denial systems....

Taking into account the evolution of adversary defense systems, which are increasingly interconnected, fully integrated, redundant and much more robust...leads to a new approach to this type of defense, which is characterized by the need to be able to apply diversified and synchronized effects on its various components...the suppression of adversary anti-aircraft defenses is considered through a joint and multi-milieu approach, in order to be able to draw on a wide range of complementary capabilities. Work, illustrated in the missile field by Franco-British cooperation, is ongoing to define the means required to penetrate the most contested spaces, ensure their overall coherence and guide future military programming exercises".
 
Pic credit: IAF @Sgt DK Roy.
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Its time to pursue F35.
Looks like reference free fiction writing.
 

Its time to pursue F35.

As per some source, LCA got 100 kills against J-20 in a sim. I think, Chinese need space fighter

More like their 4.5th gen fighters are trash, since they would have used their fighters as their reference for the Rafale.
 
Can't name names and don't really remember when and where but I'm sure that some in here have used war sim when F-35 didn't do to well as a gotcha moment so I will use this sim as a.... BOOM! Rafale no match against chicom J-20!

They likely used their J-10C for Rafales since they are pretty much he same fighter, huh Le Pic? :)
 
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Its time to pursue F35.
The JF-17 was supposed to do the same....
Full BS.
 

Its time to pursue F35.
A guest writer, in eurasian times, which is an ISI website, and we suppose to believe this.
 

Its time to pursue F35.
Do you really believe in this? Look at this quote from the same article:

While even the Rafales are equipped with AESA, the J-20s AESA radar has a chin-mounted infrared or electric-optical detection system, giving the J-20 pilot 360-degree coverage. Moreover, the J-20 can also access real-time data from the Chinese military’s satellites, making the pilots change the course of action according to the requirements of the situation.

J-20's AESA has a chin-mounted EOTS giving it 360° coverage, lmfao🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Reality is, Rafale F3R of IAF is no joke. Over the Himalays J-20's stealth won't be everything. Rafale will have a fighting chance. It won't be lopsided. Real capabilities of Indian Rafale F3R are classified. Chinese won't know until Meteor or MICA fired by Rafale blasts their J-20s.
 
Do you really believe in this? Look at this quote from the same article:



J-20's AESA has a chin-mounted EOTS giving it 360° coverage, lmfao🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Reality is, Rafale F3R of IAF is no joke. Over the Himalays J-20's stealth won't be everything. Rafale will have a fighting chance. It won't be lopsided. Real capabilities of Indian Rafale F3R are classified. Chinese won't know until Meteor or MICA fired by Rafale blasts their J-20s.
Not an impossible task for a fifth gen fighter while dealing with gen 4 /4.5 aircraft.
 
Not an impossible task for a fifth gen fighter while dealing with gen 4 /4.5 aircraft.
That wasn't the point, but not surprised that you missed it🤦‍♂️

EOTS is only for forward IR tracking, it can't track planes/missiles 360°. That is EO-DAS. J-20 also may have similar system but it isn't chin mounted but distributed all across its airframe. The author didn't even understand that and started harping about J-20's IRST. Lol🤣

He also forgot that Rafale F3R-I has one of the most advance IRST systems installed now i.e. OSF-NG(IT). 5th gen have their advantages over 4th gen, everyone knows that. But the way that article was presented, it's very clear that it was full-on BS.
 
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EOTS is only for forward IR tracking, it can't track planes/missiles 360°. That is EO-DAS. J-20 also may have similar system but it isn't chin mounted but distributed all across its airframe. The author didn't even understand that and started harping about J-20's IRST. Lol🤣
You can question the quality of the article, in fact all article from Eurasian times are of non professional way of reporting, just like our media report on defense matters. But that doesn't means that the core aspect of this article is invalid.
He also forgot that Rafale F3R-I has one of the most advance IRST systems installed now i.e. OSF-NG(IT). 5th gen have their advantages over 4th gen, everyone knows that. But the way that article was presented, it's very clear that it was full-on BS.
It is as useles as the EOTS you mentioned when comes to 360 deg detection .
 
You can question the quality of the article, in fact all article from Eurasian times are of non professional way of reporting, just like our media report on defense matters. But that doesn't means that the core aspect of this article is invalid.
So you like fake new which fits your narrative?.

If the core aspect is invalid why did you post here? Gen swamy?