Project 18, Next Generation Destroyer (NGD) : News and Updates

[batman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071914987178848414

Is this the actual design of it?

 

[Rune]

Is this the actual design of it?

Lol no. Fanboy musings

 

[Parthu]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exc...rship-projects-worth-rs-1-lakh-crore-11754613

6 units.

I'm fairly disappointed at the timelines indicated in this article. I sure hope that's a mistake on the part of the writer. If the first NGD won't start construction for 3+8 years from now (2037), we can only expect to see it in service in the mid-2040s.

That said, I'm confused at the "P-18A" nomenclature being used. This indicates that there was a "P-18" design on the board earlier.

I'm wondering if the original P-18 was the design shown in a WESEE video years ago, which is ostensibly based on a Fincantieri DDX baseline:



Whereas the new one shown last year (with superstructure-based radar panels like on Arleigh Burke) could be the P-18A:



If I resort to a little bit of high-octane speculation, I'd say we originally did want to go with a DDX baseline. A lot of preliminary work may have already been done for it, but for whatever reason it didn't pan out (Italians quoted too high a price, or maybe that design was only made with MFSTAR in mind and couldn't support the LRMFR). This was the P-18.

So we went back to square one and decided to come up with our own design, what we now call P-18A. This would be entirely based around carrying the LRMFR arrays.

This would explain the inordinate delays and why the program is stuck in conceptual stage for nearly a decade at this point.

Is this the actual design of it?

Lol no. Fanboy musings

It's based on the most recent render released by Navy (2nd pic above).

Note that the Navy never officially identified this design as NGD, but it couldn't really be anything else. Now, whether this design is the actual one they are pursuing or if it's just a placeholder, that we do not know.

 

[Speedster1]

I'm fairly disappointed at the timelines indicated in this article. I sure hope that's a mistake on the part of the writer. If the first NGD won't start construction for 3+8 years from now (2037), we can only expect to see it in service in the mid-2040s.

That said, I'm confused at the "P-18A" nomenclature being used. This indicates that there was a "P-18" design on the board earlier.

I'm wondering if the original P-18 was the design shown in a WESEE video years ago, which is ostensibly based on a Fincantieri DDX baseline:

View attachment 52869

Whereas the new one shown last year (with superstructure-based radar panels like on Arleigh Burke) could be the P-18A:

View attachment 52870

If I resort to a little bit of high-octane speculation, I'd say we originally did want to go with a DDX baseline. A lot of preliminary work may have already been done for it, but for whatever reason it didn't pan out (Italians quoted too high a price, or maybe that design was only made with MFSTAR in mind and couldn't support the LRMFR). This was the P-18.

So we went back to square one and decided to come up with our own design, what we now call P-18A. This would be entirely based around carrying the LRMFR arrays.

This would explain the inordinate delays and why the program is stuck in conceptual stage for nearly a decade at this point.





It's based on the most recent render released by Navy (2nd pic above).

Note that the Navy never officially identified this design as NGD, but it couldn't really be anything else. Now, whether this design is the actual one they are pursuing or if it's just a placeholder, that we do not know.

Likely to be the case. No wonder, the IN is extending the P-15 line. Plus new gen tech (IEPS, for example) needs time for proof testing. Although RR seems to have sorted out issues with MT30/WR21 on the RNs T45 DDGs, the IN probably doesn't want to take any chances.

I sure hope P-18 builds on the flush deck design of P-17A/B though. It'd be a pity to see a raised deck/forecastle on such a massive 14000t hull.

 

[projectigi]

I'm fairly disappointed at the timelines indicated in this article. I sure hope that's a mistake on the part of the writer. If the first NGD won't start construction for 3+8 years from now (2037), we can only expect to see it in service in the mid-2040s.

That said, I'm confused at the "P-18A" nomenclature being used. This indicates that there was a "P-18" design on the board earlier.

I'm wondering if the original P-18 was the design shown in a WESEE video years ago, which is ostensibly based on a Fincantieri DDX baseline:

View attachment 52869

Whereas the new one shown last year (with superstructure-based radar panels like on Arleigh Burke) could be the P-18A:

View attachment 52870

If I resort to a little bit of high-octane speculation, I'd say we originally did want to go with a DDX baseline. A lot of preliminary work may have already been done for it, but for whatever reason it didn't pan out (Italians quoted too high a price, or maybe that design was only made with MFSTAR in mind and couldn't support the LRMFR). This was the P-18.

So we went back to square one and decided to come up with our own design, what we now call P-18A. This would be entirely based around carrying the LRMFR arrays.

This would explain the inordinate delays and why the program is stuck in conceptual stage for nearly a decade at this point.





It's based on the most recent render released by Navy (2nd pic above).

Note that the Navy never officially identified this design as NGD, but it couldn't really be anything else. Now, whether this design is the actual one they are pursuing or if it's just a placeholder, that we do not know.

writer might've made some errors in timelines ?

IMO AON should be this year
RFP by 2027 end
CCS between 2029-2030
Steel cutting and construction work starting before 2030 end

IMO 3+ years for Approvals + negotiations and 8 years for first ship rollout is what is likely. We should have first P18 destroyer by 2038
P18 is also really crucial for our Sea based BMD, so i don't think it will be pushed to 2040s

MDL Dock for P18 should be ready in next 2 years

 

[Speedster1]

writer might've made some errors in timelines ?

IMO AON should be this year
RFP by 2027 end
CCS between 2029-2030
Steel cutting and construction work starting before 2030 end

IMO 3+ years for Approvals + negotiations and 8 years for first ship rollout is what is likely. We should have first P18 destroyer by 2038
P18 is also really crucial for our Sea based BMD, so i don't think it will be pushed to 2040s

MDL Dock for P18 should be ready in next 2 years
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Since NGD is delayed, the 4 P-15Cs are likely going to replace the Rajput class. But by the time, they arrive the oldest P-15 (INS Delhi) will also be close to retirement.

Being a legacy 80s-era design, P-15 cannot be adapted for modular construction (not by a Western co like Fincantieri atleast). This means long build times of 7-10 yrs as has been the case w/earlier batches. Why not pump out 4 more P-17B instead?

What could be the INs thinking here?