PM Says 3 Farm Laws To Be Cancelled

STEPHEN COHEN

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To be honest .
Amit Shah is always right .The illiterates ,that too in significant number is actually a burden to this nation.
In 1947 India got independence and in 1948 communist China was established .
Now PRC is a 18 trillion economy and good life style and India is third world pathetic slum thanks to this kind of pathetic illiterates scums.

I mean why should we the middle class tolerate these kind of national waste .
Liability to themselves and liability to nation also.
PM Modi dont have anything to lose .
In fact he dont even care if it is not happen.

These morons was always ready to die as slaves .
Before it was for foreigners now for middlemens.
As per Suresh Gopi there is also national security issue involves here.

I would rather chose the Chinese system anyday better than these so called sub standard democracy

What society .
These stupid society let them suffer who cares

What you are saying is OK for an individual perspective , but for
Bigger larger goals , one needs to
Make " Tactical Retreats "

What good will come out of loosing
UP elections

It will only give a huge boost to the opposition before 2024

And Dont you think that Opposition
Will again create some more
Lakhimpur Kheri like Law and Order situations And Pin the entire blame on Farm laws

Sacrificing 20 people for winning elections is OK for the opposition
Next time donot complain why the Chinese are successful and why not India?

Land Acquisition in India works only if the State government is interested in a project

So for a Central project the Central Govt has to use "Carrots and Sticks " approach like Modi is doing with Maharashtra for Bullet train

Jaitley transferred the entire onus of land acquisition to states
 

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I was talking with a Panjabi girl, on a student visa. Who will get a PR on completion. She told me her entire school class has gone overseas, mostly Canada, US and Australia. I was amazed at that. For many years we have immigrated India's nurses and doctors. There are obviously other professions. We don't have unskilled immigration. It's a complete brain drain. It will affect Indian society.
 
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The farm protests are anti-farmer, but the farmers don't know that.

After the SC stayed the farm laws, it became useless anyway. The only choice was to repeal the laws.

I just hope the central govt transfers significant amount of agricultural powers to state govts instead.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN

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No. Now the demand will be to bring in laws for MSP and allow all crops to be procured under MSP for all states in India.

There won't be any end to demands.

Why do you think CAA protests fizzled out , because primarily it was a Muslim protests

Here all types of farmers in UP and Haryana were unsure whether the Giant companies Ambani and Adani will give them a Fair price
 

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What you are saying is OK for an individual perspective , but for
Bigger larger goals , one needs to
Make " Tactical Retreats "

What good will come out of loosing
UP elections

It will only give a huge boost to the opposition before 2024

And Dont you think that Opposition
Will again create some more
Lakhimpur Kheri like Law and Order situations And Pin the entire blame on Farm laws

Sacrificing 20 people for winning elections is OK for the opposition


Land Acquisition in India works only if the State government is interested in a project

So for a Central project the Central Govt has to use "Carrots and Sticks " approach like Modi is doing with Maharashtra for Bullet train

Jaitley transferred the entire onus of land acquisition to states
If you keep giving in to every illegitimate demand then what makes you think that they wouldn’t change the goalpost every time their demand is met?

They now know your weakness, you are in worse position than before. Forget 20 dead, congress is willing to lose Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh to come back to power. Same goes for other Jaichands too.

You can’t negotiate with them. And believe me there’ll be more demands because they know Modi didn’t blink because farmer’s protest was getting anywhere.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN

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The farm protests are anti-farmer, but the farmers don't know that.

After the SC stayed the farm laws, it became useless anyway. The only choice was to repeal the laws.

I just hope the central govt transfers significant amount of agricultural powers to state govts instead.

The most positive development in the last one year has been the large increase in agricultural exports

So the Govt should give subsidies to exporters and bring Food processing under PLI scheme to boost exports

This way the Income of Farmers will increase automatically because exporters will be very happy to have assured supply of good quality products
If you keep giving in to every illegitimate demand then what makes you think that they wouldn’t change the goalpost every time their demand is met?

They now know your weakness, you are in worse position than before. Forget 20 dead, congress is willing to lose Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh to come back to power. Same goes for other Jaichands too.

You can’t negotiate with them. And believe me there’ll be more demands because they know Modi didn’t blink because farmer’s protest was getting anywhere.

Once UP elections are won by BJP
Modi will put these rascals in their place

The Bigger goal is Always important
Ego does not help in winning important battles / contests/ conflicts
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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The 3 farm laws look good in theory

But they are like a BIG Bang explosion

Whereas what is needed is a steady incremental progressive steps

The first step should have been the Free flow of Food all over India
Ie inter state movement

Then Instead of allowing Large corporations to invest in agriculture
And being accused of working for Adani and Ambani

Govt should encourage medium and small entrepreneurs

When Medium and small start ups can do very well in high tech areas, they can also do So ,in agriculture

Agriculture is Not rocket science
 

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No. Now the demand will be to bring in laws for MSP and allow all crops to be procured under MSP for all states in India.

There won't be any end to demands.

MSP is already there, over 60% farmers sell according to MSP in Maharashtra, same goes for Madhyapradesh, Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh but over 30-40% farmers are not aware who sell their stuff, neither farmers demand MSP because the broker lobby is very powerful the farmers don't sell at MSP, they sell below MSP. They also know this is not feasible. Due to distance of actual market to the rural farmer. You can't sell tomatos on MSP. By the time it reaches the market its rotten. So they have to sell it in small markets without MSP.

This is just anti BJP and anti Modi protest.

here is the list of all MSP. Brokers don't want to buy from farmers below MSP but don't want to sell below MSP
 
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Why do you think CAA protests fizzled out , because primarily it was a Muslim protests

Here all types of farmers in UP and Haryana were unsure whether the Giant companies Ambani and Adani will give them a Fair price

Well, it's obvious, farmers are easily manipulated, so you don't give them anything that they don't understand. Any progress has to be incremental. The only choice is to get their kids educated and give them other options so they eventually leave farming.
 

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Well, it's obvious, farmers are easily manipulated, so you don't give them anything that they don't understand. Any progress has to be incremental. The only choice is to get their kids educated and give them other options so they eventually leave farming.
What has been evident in these protests is that the small farmer is BEHOLDEN To large farmers and the Commission agents simply because they provide them Credit ie loans easily , which the Public sector banks are unable to do so

And What is also happening is that every few years , land is getting divided due to division of family property

When small plots of land become unviable , then some farmers sell off their land to large farmers

So inspite of land reforms , we have large farmers in India who have purchased land from small farmers or even taken over their land because the small farmer could not repay their loan

So we will need to create more job opportunities in Rural India and also provide Institutional credit facilities to small farmers to break the stranglehold of large farmers

Large farmers like Tikait are themselves Businessmen who are preventing the entry of Big Corporations for their own vested interests

It is a complex situation which cannot be solved by law making alone
 

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The only choice is to get their kids educated and give them other options so they eventually leave farming.

Educated kids will join companies of Adani and Ambani.

Once UP elections are won by BJP
Modi will put these rascals in their place

The Bigger goal is Always important
Ego does not help in winning important battles / contests/ conflicts

Elections will keep happening, how many back flips are planned ahead?

It's not about ego but exposing that you are willing to negotiate with anarchists, rioters and middlemen.

And government formed from appeasement won't do us any good as it will be just UPA-3. Muslims failed because they are already suffering from their violent image. That's the key, cultivate a protest that has Hindu /Sikh face with Muslim votes.
 

SrNair

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What you are saying is OK for an individual perspective , but for
Bigger larger goals , one needs to
Make " Tactical Retreats "

What good will come out of loosing
UP elections

It will only give a huge boost to the opposition before 2024

And Dont you think that Opposition
Will again create some more
Lakhimpur Kheri like Law and Order situations And Pin the entire blame on Farm laws

Sacrificing 20 people for winning elections is OK for the opposition


Land Acquisition in India works only if the State government is interested in a project

So for a Central project the Central Govt has to use "Carrots and Sticks " approach like Modi is doing with Maharashtra for Bullet train

Jaitley transferred the entire onus of land acquisition to states

And what is the outcome?
More delays ,more politics and eventual erosion of significance of reforms like this.
I dont like this entire system now.
Democracy is a system only for highly advanced educated, mature society like that in West or nations like Japan.
Not for the substandard useless illterate clowns like in our nations .
PM Modi might have hope in the system.
But for people like us , all these can be a good dramas .

No wonder why India is still known as a third world shithole.
I would be honest .
Be it in some places in my state Kerala or majority areas in other states people cant even walk due to bad smell ,waste etc .
Absolute zero civic sense .

Only this man at least try to make them aware about it.
Then they say why the foreigners ,Pak or Chinese mocks us .?
7 decades finished after the independence .
Still nothing much on ground level.
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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Educated kids will join companies of Adani and Ambani.



Elections will keep happening, how many back flips are planned ahead?

It's not about ego but exposing that you are willing to negotiate with anarchists, rioters and middlemen.

And government formed from appeasement won't do us any good as it will be just UPA-3. Muslims failed because they are already suffering from their violent image. That's the key, cultivate a protest that has Hindu /Sikh face with Muslim votes.

What is the point in Keeping Such Laws , which have already been stayed by the Supreme Court AND consequently loose UP elections

Soldiers ALSO make " Tactical Retreats " , to win at a later date and time
And what is the outcome?
More delays ,more politics and eventual erosion of significance of reforms like this.
I dont like this entire system now.
Democracy is a system only for highly advanced educated, mature society like that in West or nations like Japan.
Not for the substandard useless illterate clowns like in our nations .
PM Modi might have hope in the system.
But for people like us , all these can be a good dramas .

No wonder why India is still known as a third world shithole.
I would be honest .
Be it in some places in my state Kerala or majority areas in other states people cant even walk due to bad smell ,waste etc .
Absolute zero civic sense .

Only this man at least try to make them aware about it.
Then they say why the foreigners ,Pak or Chinese mocks us .?
7 decades finished after the independence .
Still nothing much on ground level.

Well , How many Indians will accept
A Dictatorship like China

Very very few
 

SrNair

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Only educated, self aware people deserves democracy .Not like our own moronic ,stupid iliterate slave people .
This bill was already in talk for around 2 decades . It was same then and now .Stumbled upon middlemens.
See how the GoI and forces are sweating to control each and every moves of Chinese

I really respect those people .They are deserved to be on top of the World.
Not India
The most positive development in the last one year has been the large increase in agricultural exports

So the Govt should give subsidies to exporters and bring Food processing under PLI scheme to boost exports

This way the Income of Farmers will increase automatically because exporters will be very happy to have assured supply of good quality products


Once UP elections are won by BJP
Modi will put these rascals in their place

The Bigger goal is Always important
Ego does not help in winning important battles / contests/ conflicts

Most probably that will going to happen.
But still a delay is a delay
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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Only educated, self aware people deserves democracy .Not like our own moronic ,stupid iliterate slave people .
This bill was already in talk for around 2 decades . It was same then and now .Stumbled upon middlemens.
See how the GoI and forces are sweating to control each and every moves of Chinese

I really respect those people .They are deserved to be on top of the World.
Not India

Chinese HAN society is a
Homo genous society

One Race , One Religion , One Language and NO Caste

Only such societies can impose Dictatorship

That is why USSR collapsed, 15 Different Sub Nationalities

Even US and Europe are suffering due to conflicting pulls and pressures ,ie too much of Democracy has created a WOKE culture

No system is perfect