PM Says 3 Farm Laws To Be Cancelled

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It was never about ‘Farm Laws’ to begin with.
All the “Civil Disobedience” machinery is still at the place. They just gave additional demands for Govt to fulfill. That’s it. Repealing those laws brought absolutely zero changes on ground.

Let's not give farm protests the same status as civil disobedience. It's just an anti-farmer/anti-national movement.
 
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I am referring to SC's powers they can be overruled, govt cannot use them as excuse.

There's nothing to it. The SC was stupid enough to stay a good set of laws. The only option left was to convince the masses or withdraw it. There's no magic solution here. It's either you have those laws or you don't, there's no middle ground.

The farmers do not want a better quality of life. The end.

I really, really hope the central govt transfers powers to the state. In 5-10 years, without corporate entry, food's gonna become unaffordable in cities.
 

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There's nothing to it. The SC was stupid enough to stay a good set of laws. The only option left was to convince the masses or withdraw it. There's no magic solution here. It's either you have those laws or you don't, there's no middle ground.
Last I checked, Legislature has power over SC. These laws do not modify fundamental structure of constitution. They can pass laws to block supreme court out of it. Just like congress did in Shahbano case. SC can interpret consititution, it cannot make laws.

The reality is this : for BJP it is more important to grab more power in states so it is playing the alliance politics in poll bound Punjab. Capt. Amrinder Singh will soon fight election in Punjab on a banner of NDA or atleast as an external partner.

There is absolutely no reason but simple election politics behind this "masterstroke". But it is politically a stupidity. For greed of potential support, BJP is compromising its core support. It will backfire. Badly.
 

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Last I checked, Legislature has power over SC. These laws do not modify fundamental structure of constitution. They can pass laws to block supreme court out of it. Just like congress did in Shahbano case. SC can interpret consititution, it cannot make laws.

The reality is this : for BJP it is more important to grab more power in states so it is playing the alliance politics in poll bound Punjab. Capt. Amrinder Singh will soon fight election in Punjab on a banner of NDA or atleast as an external partner.

There is absolutely no reason but simple election politics behind this "masterstroke". But it is politically a stupidity. For greed of potential support, BJP is compromising its core support. It will backfire. Badly.

Er... yes. The repealing of these laws is only to win elections. But the govt is repealing the laws because the farmers are too dumb to know what's good for them, so there shouldn't have been problems in the first place.
 

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Let's not give farm protests the same status as civil disobedience. It's just an anti-farmer/anti-national movement.
It’s anti government movement organised by powerful people who are fearful of loosing power and don’t see any real scope of democratically regaining the lost power.
So basically a civil disobedience movement by erstwhile ruling elites powerful land owners of Jamindaar/Jaat societies of punjab, Haryana and western UP.
 

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It’s anti government movement organised by powerful people who are fearful of loosing power and don’t see any real scope of democratically regaining the lost power.
So basically a civil disobedience movement by erstwhile ruling elites powerful land owners of Jamindaar/Jaat societies of punjab, Haryana and western UP.

"Civil disobedience" means the govt are the bad guys and the good guy protesters are using peaceful means to protest, hence it's not civil disobedience.
 

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Last I checked, Legislature has power over SC. These laws do not modify fundamental structure of constitution. They can pass laws to block supreme court out of it. Just like congress did in Shahbano case. SC can interpret consititution, it cannot make laws.

The reality is this : for BJP it is more important to grab more power in states so it is playing the alliance politics in poll bound Punjab. Capt. Amrinder Singh will soon fight election in Punjab on a banner of NDA or atleast as an external partner.

There is absolutely no reason but simple election politics behind this "masterstroke". But it is politically a stupidity. For greed of potential support, BJP is compromising its core support. It will backfire. Badly.
It was the same 56 inch Butthole who brought an ordinance/amendment against a perfectly reasonable judgment by Supreme Court within 24 hrs of the ruling

It’s because SC/SC constitutes a majority vote bank compared to fragmented General category. So any law against General category don’t matter for the 56inch Butthole party.


Exactly same thing is happening here too. It’s all about Jaat /Jutt votes in UP,Haryana and Rajasthan. Punjab is a lost cause for Gujju party no matter what they do.

First thing they tried was to make Business community happy by opening up the Monopolized Agri sector.Poor Farmers benefits never was the motivation behind this move. So when it backfired, they tried to cut losses and are trying to make up with Jatt votes who now had smelled the fear inside that 5.6 inch.
"Civil disobedience" means the govt are the bad guys and the good guy protesters are using peaceful means to protest, hence it's not civil disobedience.
Govt is bad for those who lost power and influence. For them it is.
 
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The SC was stupid enough to stay a good set of laws.
As I said SC has no business telling what to pass or not. They can only interpret not stop any thing.
eally, really hope the central govt transfers powers to the state. In 5-10 years, without corporate entry, food's gonna become unaffordable in cities.
Agriculture comes under state jurisdiction. Central govt should stop paying subsidies if they want states to enact competitive laws.
 

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Er... yes. The repealing of these laws is only to win elections. But the govt is repealing the laws because the farmers are too dumb to know what's good for them, so there shouldn't have been problems in the first place.
Calling others as dumb is a dumb thing, its govt that looks dumb now after repealing it. They are seen as power hungry ppl not the "nationalistic" who are willing to sacrifice power. Govt also tried playing the ant-national trick and it dint go well. So stop digging that hole.
 
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It was the same 56 inch Butthole who brought an ordinance/amendment against a perfectly reasonable judgment by Supreme Court within 24 hrs of the ruling
That sc/st act has actually not helped the real victims but only ppl who have taken advantage of it to intimidate others. There is one such neighbour in our locality who keeps parking where ever he wants but no one wants to question him as he keeps mentioning that he is from SC caste and he can go to police at his whims. It has become a sort of license to do any thing and most of the ppl have now ended up installing surveillance cameras as a precaution.
 

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As I said SC has no business telling what to pass or not. They can only interpret not stop any thing.

When a law is stayed by the court, it becomes unusable, only the court can remove the stay order.

Agriculture comes under state jurisdiction. Central govt should stop paying subsidies if they want states to enact competitive laws.

The APMC Act can only be changed by the central govt.

Calling others as dumb is a dumb thing, its govt that looks dumb now after repealing it. They are seen as power hungry ppl not the "nationalistic" who are willing to sacrifice power. Govt also tried playing the ant-national trick and it dint go well. So stop digging that hole.

Only dumb moves are possible once smart moves are stayed. The only thing the govt could do was introduce an ordinance to add or remove a small part of the laws, but nothing concrete can be done in this case. It's an either/or situation. This is not a murderer gets death penalty or life sentence situation. This is more like a murderer should get punished or not situation, either/or.

Had the SC not stayed the laws, a lot of farmers would have signed contracts with the private sector, and once that got going things would have continued that way for quite some time, enough to get a large number of supporters for the new laws. Farmers are too dumb to realise whether something is good or not until they actually experience it. They don't have the education to read or write, so they can't do their own research, they only depend on what others tell them to believe. And dumb people prefer status quo when they get comfortable. Getting blackmailed and exploited is normal for farmers, so they think that's the way life works. People there are talking about 700 deaths during the protests, but nobody cares about the thousands who kill themselves due to usurious illegal loans, after all dead men tell no tales.

There's a frick-load of corruption within govt enterprise and that's a fact.

Only private sector entry can actually bring in competition and reduce corruption. But nothing's gonna happen until farmers actually experience this. But the court happily ruined it.
 

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Last I checked, Legislature has power over SC. These laws do not modify fundamental structure of constitution. They can pass laws to block supreme court out of it. Just like congress did in Shahbano case. SC can interpret consititution, it cannot make laws.

The reality is this : for BJP it is more important to grab more power in states so it is playing the alliance politics in poll bound Punjab. Capt. Amrinder Singh will soon fight election in Punjab on a banner of NDA or atleast as an external partner.

There is absolutely no reason but simple election politics behind this "masterstroke". But it is politically a stupidity. For greed of potential support, BJP is compromising its core support. It will backfire. Badly.
BJP doesn't know how to handle babus and court. Congress is master in it. Court never said anything whenever UPA was in power. Only during BJP court has to open the mouth? This is the lapse on BJP's side.

If they really want to save their existence, they have to bring Yogi. He has proven how to handle the administration. The whole MoSha leadership couldn't even touch Pappu and Sonia, this Yogi jailed Priyanka in UP.

Secondly I have heard, that farmer's bill was introduced only in English. There was no Hindi copy of it. Most of the villagers never had access to right information. Another lapse by BJP, if this is true.
 

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That sc/st act has actually not helped the real victims but only ppl who have taken advantage of it to intimidate others. There is one such neighbour in our locality who keeps parking where ever he wants but no one wants to question him as he keeps mentioning that he is from SC caste and he can go to police at his whims. It has become a sort of license to do any thing and most of the ppl have now ended up installing surveillance cameras as a precaution.
It actually works. But like our “Rape Laws” its too biased against the potential perpetrators and have absolutely no punishment for false implications. So both these (otherwise great laws) are mainly used to blackmail or punish mostly for some purposes like property disputes etc.
 

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Calling others as dumb is a dumb thing, its govt that looks dumb now after repealing it. They are seen as power hungry ppl not the "nationalistic" who are willing to sacrifice power. Govt also tried playing the ant-national trick and it dint go well. So stop digging that hole.
As I said before, its a desparate gamble to capture Punjab.. UP would have likely remained in control of BJP even with farm laws. BJP wanted Punjab, so it has formed an alliance Captain Amrinder Singh.

It will backfire because it has been made at the cost of their core value. Failure to pass these laws means no more reform of any kind in farming sector ever. Now those weeping hearts who weep at suicides of Farmers can keep on weeping. Farmers deserve this.
 

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Punjabi Middlemen and up to an extent Punjab Govt is extorting money for Indian Taxpayers pocket by taking a weak GOI hostage using Mobs to block roads and other infrastructure. So much for a 56 incher Butthole.

Meanwhile we will be forced to give bribes to the corrupt system just so that we can sell our own crops in the city. F Y

It’s basically a continuation of Zamindari system in different way.
 

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I bet they learnt some thing from chinese.
Good for them.
#Ek dhakka aur do. to this 56 incher, good for nothing B.hole.
Even the infamous Coalition Govt of Janata Dal had more guts than these opportunists. And that too when opposition had the Iron Lady Indira Gandhi, as a Force behind it.
 
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Last I checked, Legislature has power over SC. These laws do not modify fundamental structure of constitution. They can pass laws to block supreme court out of it. Just like congress did in Shahbano case. SC can interpret consititution, it cannot make laws.

The reality is this : for BJP it is more important to grab more power in states so it is playing the alliance politics in poll bound Punjab. Capt. Amrinder Singh will soon fight election in Punjab on a banner of NDA or atleast as an external partner.

There is absolutely no reason but simple election politics behind this "masterstroke". But it is politically a stupidity. For greed of potential support, BJP is compromising its core support. It will backfire. Badly.

Modi propsed to suspend farm law a year before when no election was around ....... can you provide your great analysis on why he proposed?
 

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Modi propsed to suspend farm law a year before when no election was around ....... can you provide your great analysis on why he proposed?
Because JJP’s jatts Chautalas were threatening to walk away from the Khattar govt. Is that too hard to understand.
For the record Khattar is highly unpopular among Haryanvi jaats.
 
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