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Saaho

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Even the East Europeans would prefer a combined EU defence plan as a more effective counter to simply allying with the US as they are now. It's not just France, France and Germany are spearheading the campaign, but requires the support of all EU countries, primarily Italy and Spain.
Pffft! Try getting anything done by EU. You will love it. Almost all europeans I know hate EU for getting any business or anything done. They only love EU because of financial convenience and population mobility.
 

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Do you know the "rich" Indian govt is still 3.5 times poorer than the French govt?
And yet in pure nominal terms, its defence budget is about 1.4-1.5 times that of France. Whats your point?

BTW, Indian government's revenues are about half of France in purely nominal terms. Given that a massive amount of expenses of Indian government are inland only, PPP applies. Again, whats your point?

Also, it will be helpful if you stop using ambiguous terms like "poorer" or "rich" when you are talking about metrices or data (like X is 3.5 times poorer than Y) and use a proper verifiable term like government revenue, expenditure, GDP, overall wealth, per capita wealth. It makes things clearer. Most of the time, it is hard to see what metric you are alluding to.
 
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See who is the proven strongest in military terms : USA and Russia.
How it got strong? They fought enough and they still fight (though not in their own backyards) to keep their forces fighting fit.
Since the WW II, the US has never fought any war with someone equal or less to them. They have always marauded much much weaker states across the globe - economically/financially, politically or militarily.

Their purpose is to fight a hybrid 5th Gen warfare across the world and to keep their MIC churning out weapons. This serves their purpose of depleting and draining the gain and prosperity of nations across the world by diverting gains to fight internal security and external threats, thus not allowing them to prosper.

If you get time read the book - Confessions of an Economic Hitman, by John Perkins. You will understand the intentions.

It is because they have strength and are leaders of the world in all the three areas along with veto in the UN, they do not need to approach an external entity for any fiscal of monetary deficit. Whereas every other country on the planet do need to hoard the US $$s.

India has two nuclear powers extending the arc from NE to West of it. Who are you suggesting India to fight with and for what reason?

Next time you take weed, hume bhi yaad kar lena, saath mein piyenge, shaayad natija alag nikle!
 

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Since the WW II, the US has never fought any war with someone equal or less to them.
You don't need to fight with equal to weed out incompetence that breeds in a system that you only need to use occasionally. You need to fight small wars.

They have always marauded much much weaker states across the globe - economically/financially, politically or militarily.
Thats not bad. It ensure that logistics are working (which was discovered NOT working after 2000/01 parliament attack and the standoff that followed).

Their purpose is to fight a hybrid 5th Gen warfare across the world and to keep their MIC churning out weapons.
Does not matter. It keeps military forces ready and fighting fit. Thats great

This serves their purpose of depleting and draining the gain and prosperity of nations across the world by diverting gains to fight internal security and external threats, thus not allowing them to prosper.
USA has or atleast till very recently had fairly low tax rates. I pay much more in taxes in Canada. Infact there is massive anti-tax sentiment in USA. Certainly US military is not extracting more prosperity outside of what is contributed as taxes.

If you get time read the book - Confessions of an Economic Hitman, by John Perkins. You will understand the intentions.
Your are conflating corporatocracy with military preparedness. Even if US threw away its military preparedness, the winners of current economic system are not going to give up their wins. Thats captialism. Presence of a certain kind of economic system does not mean that you should not ensure that you are militarily prepared.

India has two nuclear powers extending the arc from NE to West of it. Who are you suggesting India to fight with and for what reason?
Start by capturing portions of Pakistan's territory -- same way China has been doing with us. Nibbling Kashmir, if it required military action then don't shy from it. Just keep on nibbling and pushing Pakistan's forces back in small small increments. Do the same with Nepal... Madeshi are essentially Bihari.

Next time you take weed, hume bhi yaad kar lena, saath mein piyenge, shaayad natija alag nikle!
All good ideas always look crazy. Thats human nature. :)

We have played peace peace pacifism in past so many decades. What have we found? Our forces are perpetually unprepared. Our weapons store are always empty. Even when we grew our economy by 3 times from 2000 to 2020, our airforce strength went down actually. No government takes our defence seriously. Our defence research projects are always delayed and are always of pathetic quality. There is no defence manufacturers in India and we always import no matter what. Our military leaders and civilians who work with them (part of south block) are extremely incompetent.

Why do you think it happens? Because there is no need for any kind of urgency in fixing our defence capabilities. It will always be pushed to the next government, to the next generation.

If you keep on repeating the same, you cann't get a different result.

I wonder if you need weed to actually see the obvious. May be people live in such a massive bubble that they need mind altering substances to see the simple fact: You don't develop any capability unless there is a need for it.
 
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Saaho

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Is this thread still a LAC border updates thread? The last few pages is everything except the topic.
Has anything been happening on LAC? I doubt any. I once asked the Mods to lock this thread at times. Tangential discussions happen when there is nothing to talk about the main topic.
 

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So it appears China has decided to move the war-ready date ahead to 2027, which implies the Chinese are planning to match American theatre forces in the Western Pacific by 2027 instead of the earlier planned 2035. And by 2035, the plan is to become the global technological leader.

 

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Letter to Xi Jinping.

Dear Sir,

We spent so long, we spent long, we spent so long, telling you not to eat cat,
And normally we would just forget that,
But then you went and ate a SARS bat,
A f'king SARS bat.
 

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Letter to Xi Jinping.

Dear Sir,

We spent so long, we spent long, we spent so long, telling you not to eat cat,
And normally we would just forget that,
But then you went and ate a SARS bat,
A f'king SARS bat.
Happy hours all day long, Paddy? From today's dawn to tomorrow's?
 

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'If you make China the enemy, China will be the enemy': Beijing's fresh threat to Australia​

Beijing has issued an extraordinary attack on the Australian government, accusing it of "poisoning bilateral relations" in a deliberately leaked document that threatens to escalate tensions between the two countries.

The government document goes further than any public statements made by the Chinese Communist Party, accusing the Morrison government of attempting "to torpedo" Victoria’s Belt and Road deal, and blaming Canberra for "unfriendly or antagonistic" reports on China by independent Australian media.

Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers an address to the opening ceremony of the China International Import Expo in November.Credit:AP

"China is angry. If you make China the enemy, China will be the enemy," a Chinese government official said in a briefing with a reporter in Canberra on Tuesday.

The dossier of 14 disputes was handed over by the Chinese embassy in Canberra to Nine News, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age in a diplomatic play that appears aimed at pressuring the Morrison government to reverse Australia’s position on key policies.

The list of grievances also includes: government funding for "anti-China" research at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, raids on Chinese journalists and academic visa cancellations, "spearheading a crusade" in multilateral forums on China’s affairs in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Xinjiang, calling for an independent investigation into the origins of COVID-19, banning Huawei from the 5G network in 2018, and blocking 10 Chinese foreign investment deals across infrastructure, agriculture and animal husbandry sectors.

In a targeted threat to Australia’s foreign policy position, the Chinese official said if Australia backed away from policies on the list, it "would be conducive to a better atmosphere".

China’s Communist Party's media outlet has issued a warning, claiming Australia will "pay a price" after confirming a historic defence pact with Japan.

The dossier was delivered shortly before China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian laid the blame on Australia for the state of the relationship at a press conference in Beijing.
"The Australian side should reflect on this seriously, rather than shirking the blame and deflecting responsibility," he said.

The Morrison government has rejected Beijing’s characterisation and called for the Chinese government to answer its phone calls.

"The ball is very much in China's court to be willing to sit down and have that proper dialogue," Trade Minister Simon Birmingham said on Wednesday.​

But the Chinese government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly, said "why should China care about Australia?" and that phone calls would be "meaningless” while the "atmosphere is bad".

The document also takes aim at "thinly veiled allegations against China on cyber attacks without any evidence" and claims Australia was the first country without a maritime presence in the South China Sea to condemn China’s actions at the United Nations. Australia followed the United States in July in branding China’s claims to the disputed area "unlawful".

It also accuses MPs of "outrageous condemnations of the governing party of China and racist attacks against Chinese or Asian people" after Liberal Senator Eric Abetz demanded Chinese-Australian witnesses at a Parliamentary inquiry condemn the Chinese Communist Party.

The leaked list and comments by Mr Zhao signal a significant tactical shift from Beijing. Australia has not backed away from its criticism, despite months of escalating Chinese rhetoric and verbal instructions to state-linked traders to stop importing Australian products.

The trade strikes on up to a dozen products including wine, beef, barley, timber, lobster and coal now threaten $20 billion worth of Australian exports.

China accounts for up to 40 per cent of Australia’s exports and one in 13 Australian jobs, leading to rising anxiety among business figures and diplomats grappling with competing objectives: balancing Australia’s national security, maintaining a military deterrent to China’s regional aggression through a new defence agreement with Japan, and keeping economic lines with China open.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Wednesday said China should not be threatened by the signing of a landmark defence treaty between Australia and Japan, which paves the way for the two nations to conduct more joint military exercises throughout the Indo-Pacific.
The list of grievances from the Chinese embassy.

The list of grievances from the Chinese embassy.

"This is a significant evolution of this relationship, but there is no reason for that to cause any concern elsewhere in the region," Mr Morrison said. "I think it adds to the stability of the region, which is a good thing."

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe on Wednesday urged Australia to maintain a strong relationship with China.

In his most direct comments on the multi-billion dollar diplomatic dispute to date, Dr Lowe said it was in the economy’s interest for the relationship between Australia and its largest trading partner to get back on track.

"China has benefited from our natural resources exports and we have benefited from its manufacturing imports," he said.

"We need to keep that strong relationship with China going. It is mutually advantageous for both of us."
BHP chief executive Mike Henry told The Australian’s Strategic Forum on Wednesday that Australia was an export dependent economy.

"Other nations may aspire to succeed in self-sufficiency and autonomy. Australia simply isn’t built to succeed under this model," he said.

"While we are ultimately reliant on countries acting in good faith, we have to ensure we are doing absolutely everything in our power to secure Australia’s continued prosperity through mutually beneficial trade and co-operation."

In a sign the government is attempting to separate economic outcomes from security and military ones, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said on Wednesday Australia stood ready to engage in "respectful and beneficial" dialogue with the Chinese Communist Party.

But added that as part of any dialogue, Australia’s national interest would be "non-negotiable".

The 14 items identified by the Chinese embassy document are seen by the Department of Foreign Affairs as key to Australia’s national interest and non-negotiable, leaving the two countries facing the prospect of an extended diplomatic and economic dispute.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said the Australian government makes "sound decisions in our national interest and in accordance with our values and open democratic processes."

"We are a liberal democratic society with a free media and a parliamentary democracy, where elected members and media are entitled to freely express their views," the department said in a statement.

"The Australian government is always ready to talk directly in a constructive fashion about Australia’s relationship with China, including about our differences, and to do so directly between our political leaders.

"Such direct dialogue enables misrepresentation of Australia’s positions to be addressed in a constructive manner that enables our mutually beneficial relationship."
 
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We need to admit, with this china had moved towards the eite club of counties with niche technological capabilities.
 

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Piccard's second bathyscaphe was actually a third vessel Trieste, which was purchased by the United States Navy from Italy in 1957.[1] It had two water ballast tanks and eleven buoyancy tanks holding 120,000 litres (26,000 imp gal; 32,000 US gal) of gasoline.[2]

In 1960 Trieste, carrying Piccard's son Jacques Piccard and Don Walsh, reached the deepest known point on the Earth's surface, the Challenger Deep, in the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean.[1]

The onboard systems indicated a depth of 37,800 ft (11,521 m) but this was later corrected to 35,813 ft (10,916 m) by taking into account variations arising from salinity and temperature. Later and more accurate measurements made in 1995 have found the Challenger Deep to be slightly shallower at 35,798 ft (10,911 m).

The bathyscaphe was equipped with a powerful light, which illuminated a small flounder-like fish, putting to rest the question of whether or not there was life at such a depth in the complete absence of light. The crew of the Trieste noted that the floor consisted of diatomaceous ooze and reported observing "some type of flatfish, resembling a sole, about 1 foot long and 6 inches across" lying on the seabed.

 
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Piccard's second bathyscaphe was actually a third vessel Trieste, which was purchased by the United States Navy from Italy in 1957.[1] It had two water ballast tanks and eleven buoyancy tanks holding 120,000 litres (26,000 imp gal; 32,000 US gal) of gasoline.[2]

In 1960 Trieste, carrying Piccard's son Jacques Piccard and Don Walsh, reached the deepest known point on the Earth's surface, the Challenger Deep, in the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean.[1]

The onboard systems indicated a depth of 37,800 ft (11,521 m) but this was later corrected to 35,813 ft (10,916 m) by taking into account variations arising from salinity and temperature. Later and more accurate measurements made in 1995 have found the Challenger Deep to be slightly shallower at 35,798 ft (10,911 m).

The bathyscaphe was equipped with a powerful light, which illuminated a small flounder-like fish, putting to rest the question of whether or not there was life at such a depth in the complete absence of light. The crew of the Trieste noted that the floor consisted of diatomaceous ooze and reported observing "some type of flatfish, resembling a sole, about 1 foot long and 6 inches across" lying on the seabed.

Jacques Cousteau's pioneering work in helping Piccard as well as his contribution to popularising deep sea exploration needs mention too.
 
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