Pakistani Propaganda Busting thread
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please tell me who is governing PoK right now? what is there to annex?
they were aiming for full Kashmir and used 370 for the purpose.
they were going to declare war and burn us to ground if 370 were removed.
so many threats to Indian state about 370 or even 35A.
what happened?
Well, India occupied Siachen and again in late 80s and no redline crossed. And then they suddenly attacked in 1999 without any redline crossed. All this redline talk is this much : bullshit.
Siachen was not Pakistan's territory. POK is administered by Pakistan. There is a difference.
If you ask Pakistan, entire Kashmir + Laddakh +Jammu is their territory. Besides they were preparing to establish permanent presence in Siachen when India beat it to them.
Read this good natured & funny comment elsewhere:
Pakistan is afflicted with another virus called KOVID - "Kashmir Obsession and Vilification of India Disorder".
Pakistan is afflicted with another virus called KOVID - "Kashmir Obsession and Vilification of India Disorder".
The bloody Indians won't even let the Pakistanis win twitter wars. This is injustice !!
Did Pakistan Navy ship intercept, ram Indian vessel? Here is the truth behind viral video
Prominent Pakistani journalist tweets video of a Pakistan Navy ship with a suggestion that it intercepted and rammed into an Indian Navy vessel in Arabian Sea.
By Snehesh Alex Philip
14 April, 2020 12:20 pm IST
Pakistani journalist Moeed Pirzada’s tweet refers to an incident from 2011. The video was shot from Indian Navy’s INS Godavari. | Photo: ThePrint
New Delhi: Amid increasing tensions at the Line of Control, prominent Pakistani journalist Moeed Pirzada Tuesday tweeted a video of a Pakistan Navy ship with a false suggestion that it intercepted and rammed into an Indian Navy vessel in the Arabian Sea.
The video shared by Pirzada, known to be close to the Pakistani military establishment, has got over 50,000 views on the microblogging site.
The Pakistani journalist’s video actually refers to an incident from 2011. Also, it was shot from the Indian Navy’s INS Godavari, a guided missile frigate that was the first Indian warship to be indigenously designed and built in the 1980s.
The video shows Pakistan Navy ship Babar (D-182) brushing against the Indian vessel and causing damage to the helicopter nets. The Pakistani vessel was decommissioned in 2015.
While Pakistan had blamed the Indian ship for putting its crew in danger, the video shows it was the PNS Babar’s mistake that caused the incident. PNS Babar was commanded by Captain Azhar Naeem, who had served in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, earlier.
Diplomatic row in 2011
A huge diplomatic row broke out between India and Pakistan after the 2011 incident, which took place after both the ships were sent to the Gulf of Aden region in the wake of increased piracy.
PNS Babur was escorting Egyptian merchant vessel MV Suez, which had been released several months after being held hostage by Somali pirates. The sailors on board included Indians.
The Indian ship was sent to reassure sailors on board the merchant vessel and those taken hostage by the pirates.
After the standoff between India and Pakistani Naval ships, then defence minister A.K. Antony had informed Parliament in August 2011 about the incident.
“While carrying out anti-piracy patrol, INS Godavari on coming close to MV Suez, which had earlier been hijacked, tried to establish communication to ascertain safety of crew,” the minister had said.
“…PNS Babur closed INS Godavari at high speed from astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety and in the process touched Godavari, thereby marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck,” Antony added.
The then Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma had said a protest was lodged with Pakistan over this. The Ministry of Defence later summoned the naval adviser of the Pakistan High Commission and conveyed India’s concerns to him.
Did Pakistan Navy ship intercept, ram Indian vessel? Here is the truth behind viral video
Did Pakistan Navy ship intercept, ram Indian vessel? Here is the truth behind viral video
Prominent Pakistani journalist tweets video of a Pakistan Navy ship with a suggestion that it intercepted and rammed into an Indian Navy vessel in Arabian Sea.
By Snehesh Alex Philip
14 April, 2020 12:20 pm IST
Pakistani journalist Moeed Pirzada’s tweet refers to an incident from 2011. The video was shot from Indian Navy’s INS Godavari. | Photo: ThePrint
New Delhi: Amid increasing tensions at the Line of Control, prominent Pakistani journalist Moeed Pirzada Tuesday tweeted a video of a Pakistan Navy ship with a false suggestion that it intercepted and rammed into an Indian Navy vessel in the Arabian Sea.
The video shared by Pirzada, known to be close to the Pakistani military establishment, has got over 50,000 views on the microblogging site.
The Pakistani journalist’s video actually refers to an incident from 2011. Also, it was shot from the Indian Navy’s INS Godavari, a guided missile frigate that was the first Indian warship to be indigenously designed and built in the 1980s.
The video shows Pakistan Navy ship Babar (D-182) brushing against the Indian vessel and causing damage to the helicopter nets. The Pakistani vessel was decommissioned in 2015.
While Pakistan had blamed the Indian ship for putting its crew in danger, the video shows it was the PNS Babar’s mistake that caused the incident. PNS Babar was commanded by Captain Azhar Naeem, who had served in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, earlier.
Diplomatic row in 2011
A huge diplomatic row broke out between India and Pakistan after the 2011 incident, which took place after both the ships were sent to the Gulf of Aden region in the wake of increased piracy.
PNS Babur was escorting Egyptian merchant vessel MV Suez, which had been released several months after being held hostage by Somali pirates. The sailors on board included Indians.
The Indian ship was sent to reassure sailors on board the merchant vessel and those taken hostage by the pirates.
After the standoff between India and Pakistani Naval ships, then defence minister A.K. Antony had informed Parliament in August 2011 about the incident.
“While carrying out anti-piracy patrol, INS Godavari on coming close to MV Suez, which had earlier been hijacked, tried to establish communication to ascertain safety of crew,” the minister had said.
“…PNS Babur closed INS Godavari at high speed from astern and carried out a manoeuvre in gross violation of relevant regulations on navigational safety and in the process touched Godavari, thereby marginally damaging the extended safety net on the helicopter deck,” Antony added.
The then Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma had said a protest was lodged with Pakistan over this. The Ministry of Defence later summoned the naval adviser of the Pakistan High Commission and conveyed India’s concerns to him.
Did Pakistan Navy ship intercept, ram Indian vessel? Here is the truth behind viral video
We had discussed this longback on another forum. Godavari at this time was commanded by one of my coursemates and also squadron mate. The PN guy was a complete idiot who had no control over his ship and was also extremely poor in ship handling. Normally when ships come very close to eachother, like in this case, they tend to drift towards eachother due to water pressure between the two hulls. Each ship has a pivot point and for warships its about 1/3rd the length from the bow. so when the water pressure builds up between the two hulls, the ships experience a force outwards and tend to pivot around their pivot point causing them to move towards eachother and collide. During RAS-Replenishment at Sea, we normally carry outward rudder to avoid this very phenomenon. This PN CO was an Idiot who did not anticipate this movement of the ship and in his false bravado, collided with Godavari.
You need to notice the acceleration of Godavari in this case. I served on its sister ship Gomati in 1990 and know how good the steam turbines on these ships are. When we need acceleration, we stop steam DAs and divert max steam to the turbines. full throttle ahead on both engines gives us this kind of acceleration. But nothing to beat the acceleration of Rajput class. Even the Americans used to be in awe of those ships.
You need to notice the acceleration of Godavari in this case. I served on its sister ship Gomati in 1990 and know how good the steam turbines on these ships are. When we need acceleration, we stop steam DAs and divert max steam to the turbines. full throttle ahead on both engines gives us this kind of acceleration. But nothing to beat the acceleration of Rajput class. Even the Americans used to be in awe of those ships.
Your post seems to suggest that the collision was unintentional & due to incompetence. Whereas, the report above suggests it may have been intentional.
The decision to come so close to the ship was intentional to show off but things got out of hand due to stupidity and idiocracy of the PN CO.
It appears to be an accident.
If it was intentional, then the PN crew would have been shouting the Takbir the entire time, and the intensity would have increased after contact.
their training is also non existent like their navy. I am quite surprised that how they will handle all the sophisticated platforms that they are getting.It appears to be an accident.
If it was intentional, then the PN crew would have been shouting the Takbir the entire time, and the intensity would have increased after contact.
I'd take this bit with a pinch of salt. They did manage to sink the INS Khukri in 1971 & also caused a few hearts to flutter with their PNS Ghazi before the latter sailed into it's own mines, even with their less than modest numbers then,something which should have taken the sheen of IN's spectacular operation in Karachi but didn't. Let's not believe our own myth making.They've come up with a impressive expansion & upgradation plan which will be manifested in sheer numbers in the coming decade. Granted they're a far way off from challenging the IN but if we continue in our state of hubris we'd be setting ourselves up for a nasty surprise a la 27th Feb & some real damage.
Operating a navy is expensive business. They can't afford it.
Only the civilians believe in this "nasty surprise a la 27th" business. IA drones happily flying inside Pakistani territory helping kill PA soldiers is proof enough of what exactly happened on the 27th.
PAF did the biggest mistake of breaking the age old ROE along the LOC. Now they are a fair game for IAF as even IAF can target them well inside their airspace. PAF committed the biggest mistake of their life.
I've seen little evidence of the economic downturn impact the Pakistan armed forces. The Pakistan economy is down in the dumps.Yet how many orders have the PN or the PAF cancelled due to a paucity of funds.If you've any evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to correct this post of mine.
The IAF drones may well be flying on top of Sialkot & Muzzafarabad, but has that in any way impacted their operations sponsoring terror in Kashmir . I don't see any evidence of it. Much as you , the IA, the IAF , MoH , the MoD & the GoI may be loathe to admit it, it's BAU - Business As Usual.
They act. We react. Our reactions aren't disuasive enough. Barring a Balakote, which while it shouldn't have been a norm, but should have been exercised the day we lost our paratroopers , is an exception. Truth be told, Pakistan has a measure of us & while we do too, we lack the willpower for decisive action. They don't. The clearest indication of it came on 27th Feb. Pakistan believes that their massive reaction deterred us from escalating. That we never retaliated for their failed attempt on some high value targets sent the wrong message. The low key reaction to their sponsored killings of our 5 SF operatives re iterated that sentiment. As of now, in retaliation to our artillery strikes, they've targetted our civilians & caused casualties. Since then, there's no word on how we've reacted. I'm assuming there was a flag meeting or a message on the hot line between DGMOs & the situation de escalated.
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They already regret it.
Already denied the seas since decades, now denied land and air also since Balakot.
It was just bad luck for our guys as they fell in a nallah and rolled right infront of the tangos.
Their capital expenses are not public information. How badly they are affected will only be known in the future.
But I'm referring to their revenue expenses, which is far too less already. So when they get their new ships and sub, most of these will be ornaments sitting in Karachi harbour.
The scale of the operation is irrelevant, the effectiveness of an operation is relevant. What if I tell you the constant artillery barrages are much more effective than a single strike that kills a lot. The artillery directly attacks the PA, while Balakot only dealt with terrorists. And they stay quiet even though they are getting hit constantly.
Can you imagine the fear a PA soldier/officer has to live through not knowing which artillery shell has his name on it and when he's going to be introduced to it?
If they have this so-called "measure of us" and "willpower for action", then why have they given all the tactical advantages to India?