Terrorists are expandable commodity for PA and ISI. They do not count. PA soldiers are assets and their loss hurts PA.
Pakistani Propaganda Busting thread
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TRISHUL: Punitive, Targetted Medium Field Artillery Fire-Assaults With PGMs
Quoting from PKS's latest article on his blog.
To come back to your point on revenue expenditure being negligible, my counter would be to ask you if they've been on a procurement spree spending billions of USD at a time they can il afford to what makes you think they'd be restrained from undertaking regular exercises & patrols where the cost would be around a tenth of their capex & if your counter to that is to ask me to look at their revenue expenditure, I'd ask you to look at the number of platforms PN has been fielding in the present in terms of it's vintage & performance & ask you if it's worth undertaking intensive patrolling & exercises with platforms due to retire any time now.
IA is well aware of the strength of PA in POJK. But what PKS did not mention is what IA has in that area. We do outnumber them easily plus the overall picture is such that PA can't mobilise additional forces in that area due to our overwhelming superiority in Jammu, Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujrat sectors. Plus the lines of communication or the road infra in POJK is pathetic compared to what we have. This has the effect of bottling up IA in few areas aka 1971 race to Dhaka.
Longback I had written here about CSD and told you guys what it actually means and why PA has no answer to it. Lot of people call it a doctrine to hold areas in shallow depth to avoid nuke threshold but nuke part is inbuilt in CSD and every CSD excercise conducted till date has been under nuke threat. IA has exercised in detail about tactical nuke attacks on IBGs and regrouping of forces to maintan the thrust momentum.
Yep. PA is the one we have to hurt. Killing terrorists are like killing cockroaches, the number of dead don't matter, you have to root out the infestation from the roots.
What's interesting is their reaction to our shelling is so much more muted in response.
They haven't stopped. And not necessarily all responses are tactical or on LC.
If you want to stop cross-border terrorism, the number of terrorists don't really matter, nor the numbers killed. Your post is actually supporting the point I'm making. You can have 50 Balakots and it won't make a difference. The main enemy is the PA, that's the organisation that needs to feel the heat.
PA must be punished as much as possible, and the easiest and cheapest way to do it is by using artillery from the front and economic attacks from the rear.
They buy stuff in order to look good on paper. But the reality is they can't use everything they buy because they do not have the money to run their stuff.
Their force structure and budget do not match at all. Even our CAPFs have a bigger budget while not being capital intensive.
IA is under GOI and follows the dictates of the civilian government who can't make out their as$ from their elbow. If I was RM of India, I will allow IA to respond across IB becoz PA has been violating even the IB. This will create an uncertainity and allow us to dominate escalation ladder all across the frontier with Pak.
But this should be done with a clear objective to have well defined aim to escalate to full blown war.
Why would they buy stuff just to show that they have enough? The unused stuff will be a burden. They'd rather have stuff they can utilize to the fullest.
Sir, to begin with, India's retaking of PoJ&K & CSD is out of the ambit of our discussion as of now. That may well be the endgame of the escalatory ladder. As of now we're discussing & grappling with LIC within & on our borders & the costs we need to impose on Paxtan to dissuade them from promoting cross border terrorism. So far, in the past 6 years, it's been a mixed bag. There's a lot which the present administration has done & a lot they need to do.
The only silver lining in this is in spite of being in dire straits, Paxtan has refused to show any let up in supporting cross border terrorism. I refer to it as a silver lining as at some point Pakistan will miscalculate & provide us with a casus belli only & only if this administration has as it's endgame the retaking of PoJ&K & is willing to go up that escalatory ladder , for it's that not the case, we're expending our meagre resources in both men & material in a never ending battle of attrition.
Further, if this government doesn't find it on itself to undertake such a mission, I'm afraid no other administration would ever muster the necessary mindset nor would have the gumption to undertake this mighty task.
I can post the truth but I advise you to please tag @Falcon for details. we are in a position to take over certain high value areas in POJK but being stopped by GOI due to this covid19.
If that's the case, why did we undertake Balakote. We could have stuck to escalation on the border thru shallow cross border action vide our SFs & continuous artillery duels we've been undertaking since the past 3 decades.
I guess you haven't gone thru those screen shots I've enclosed. They clearly indicate that of the 1.5 lakh soldiers present there only 22% comprise of the PA. The rest are pata military forces , most of whom are locals from the NLI , whose loss makes no difference to the PA as they're not part of the PA's ORBAT.
Hence, in what way are artillery duels of the kind that's happening & of the kind you're supporting going to affect the PA is beyond me. Incidentally, if you've gone through those screenshots, PKS actually details what we need to do in order to effect precision strikes. One could follow his advise to undertake such action against the PA. But that would mean stepping up the escalatory ladder.
You're not making any sense whatsoever. I'd just introduce you to the Indo China analogy. In both conventional & non conventional forces the Chinese are far superior to us. Yet, in spite of their belligerence & might if they've not undertaken action on any of their stated declaration to seize parts of our territory that they lay claim on it's coz we've put up enough resources there which is definitely not going to defeat China but may just effect a stalemate.
Short of an outright win, the Chinese aren't bothered with mounting any such campaign. That's the reason why we're going on for such high value big ticket imports like the Rafale, S-400, etc.
That's precisely Pakistan's game plan. If it's your contention then that after making such costly acquisitions they'd be berthed in some Quay as a dock queen, you're either being disingenuous or you're talking through your hat.
The bare essentials would also do. One needn't get into too many details that would give away the plot. As it is Falcon is a very reticent person. I've rarely seen him divulge info which can even remotely be declared as classified secrets.Salami slicing would also do as of now before we reach the stage of an endgame.
Balakot was about sending a message and thats all. But the renewed fire assaults are for a very different reason.
What you missed was that nearly 70% of them are those who do not get recognised as muslims in Pakistan. Do you know how the fulcrum can move? Do you think that MSD are not doing anything about it? Why did Vijayanagar empire loose to Muslims? Who cheated them and how and that too against the best advice of Brahmins of Vijayanagar emprire? Why did Prithiviraj loose and died in a well in Ghori? Who's advice did he overlook? Do you know Sacchar Commission report, quoted most often? Do you know that in WW1, muslim soldiers refused to fight Ottoman Emprire and for what reason? Do you know about Moppala? Do you even know what was taught to us as Khilafat movement and that it was actually about restoration of Khalifa in Baghdad? Do you know who supported Khilafat movement and for what reason? Do you find any mention of Moppalla with Khilafat? Do you even know that present contours of ME Asia were created by Hindu soldiers of Royal Army?
Enjoy this thread...... Lot of effort has been put by this guy to expose gafoora and gang
You need a certain number of ships or subs for maintaining a 24/7 presence at sea.
If Pakistan is only capable of buying and operating two frigates, then when one's in refit, then only one other ship is available. And if that one ship is docked, then there are no frigates at sea. So you need more numbers to ensure you can operate anytime at sea.
But that doesn't mean you actually are ensuring 24/7 presence at sea. All 4 ships can be docked and on paper you are still a navy with 4 frigates. Operating ships is expensive business. PN's budget is somewhere around $800M, that's not enough.
In comparison to their main adversary, PN is not a warfighting navy, it's a peacetime navy. Their only saving grace is they have a few subs, with which they can buy some time, hoping they can keep their SLOCs open long enough for aid ships to come through, or bring international pressure down on India before the IN shuts them down.
Whenever i click on the twitter status links of this site, i keep getting a Sorry, that page doesn’t exist! message. Any ideas?
It was a mix of sending a message out and a secondary aim of baiting the Pakistanis to do something stupid, which they did.
You think IA doesn't know that? The facility that was captured in the drone footage was a PA facility.
Can we not bring PKS here? It insults the intelligence of actual military personnel.
Did you forget the IA Chief said we could escalate all the way to a limited war during Balakot?
Nope. Not at all.
PN's surface fleet isn't meant for warfighting. And we have too much airpower. If they want to contest the IN, first they need to make investments in countering our airpower over the Arabian Sea, which they are unlikely to do. The Type 054A isn't an AAW destroyer.
They will surely take it out sometime. They simply won't be used frequently enough to pose a challenge to the IN.
Have you ever considered what the Russians do with all their super expensive navy stuff? Even they have budget problems.
Muslims have a history of double crossing and the way things are in POJK and Gilgit Baltistan, we can't rule out switch of loyalties from PA in case of full blown war.Bhai kehna kya chah rahe ho
Maybe he was a bit tipsy? He must be getting irritated being shut at home and having to listen to his wife's orders.Bhai kehna kya chah rahe ho
I gave very clear hints about what I meant but it seems you could not make out the point. Please read that post again and you will probably understand provided you know about the incidents referred to in the post. I had clarified it already in previous post.Maybe he was a bit tipsy? He must be getting irritated being shut at home and having to listen to his wife's orders.
In 1947, the British army officer commanding the batallion in skardu handed over Gilgit and Baltistan on platter to Pakistan and the shia soldiers there, just shouted allah o akbar and changed over to Pakistan. The same change over can happen once again.