Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

see the NYTimes article of 1975 I shared, how Pak paid French for Mirages which themselves were bought on deferred payment terms but they payed french with the help of mohammedan countries donating aid,
So what might have happened in the J10CE deal with PRC is, that the first installment might be provided by gulf countries, which might not even come under the agreement between Pak and PRC.

BTW, what about VT4s, do you have any info how they financed it?
Yo @LX1111, no reply with your 731 IQ wisdom?
 
Wrong. They just rejected the US m109a6 and chose to purchase more Himars rocket launchers

I'm referring to their long term plans which they had to change after Ukraine. Himars was a part of that.

Anyway they bought Himars for the range, to use during landfall. Their own words.
 
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They're so scared of S-400 that they've moved their F-16s to some Western base(Gwadar!!) as per some sources and here are some who think that S-400 is useless, lol.
 
They're so scared of S-400 that they've moved their F-16s to some Western base(Gwadar!!) as per some sources and here are some who think that S-400 is useless, lol.
They have been moved to Passni Airfield @ 25°18'02"N 63°21'13"E.

Here is a map of engagement envelopes of S400 deployed at various IAF bases and all the Pakistani assets in tracking and engagement zones.

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They're so scared of S-400 that they've moved their F-16s to some Western base(Gwadar!!) as per some sources and here are some who think that S-400 is useless, lol.
 
This was on Jane's Defense.



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If true not only will IAF be way behind the PLAAF but on par or slightly less capable than PAF.

But hey Rafale which is 0-3 (claim) but definitely 0-1 in air combat against an export 4th gen J-10 is more than capable to handle FC-31's, right?
 
This was on Jane's Defense.



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If true not only will IAF be way behind the PLAAF but on par or slightly less capable than PAF.

But hey Rafale which is 0-3 (claim) but definitely 0-1 in air combat against an export 4th gen J-10 is more than capable to handle FC-31's, right?
It's a double edged sword.
On one hand it's a stealth aircraft with one of the longest range air to Air missiles in existence.
On the other hand induction of so many different types of platforms in a relatively small air force may create integration, logistics and compatibility issues.
 
It's a double edged sword.
On one hand it's a stealth aircraft with one of the longest range air to Air missiles in existence.
On the other hand induction of so many different types of platforms in a relatively small air force may create integration, logistics and compatibility issues.
Time to start getting rid of the older planes. I think PAF would be more than fine with fleet of J-10's, JF-17's, FC-31's and F-16's. Now you'd need 2-3 more squadrons of J-10's and FC-31's. That's 3 fighter fleets of Chinese origin sharing the same weapon systems maybe FC-31 having same avionics as J-10?
 
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If true not only will IAF be way behind the PLAAF but on par or slightly less capable than PAF.

But hey Rafale which is 0-3 (claim) but definitely 0-1 in air combat against an export 4th gen J-10 is more than capable to handle FC-31's, right?
Was known for quite sometime but, we won't be getting the Su 57 or F 35 either way. We'll be looking for the CATS project and things like VHF radars and other anti-stealth tech. You've got to bite the bullet to get things ready indigenously.
 
Was known for quite sometime but, we won't be getting the Su 57 or F 35 either way. We'll be looking for the CATS project and things like VHF radars and other anti-stealth tech. You've got to bite the bullet to get things ready indigenously.
Yeah but I don't think we thought it would be this soon if Jane's Defense article is true which I'm iffy. The only positive for IAF is the low quantities of J-10s and FC-31's especially when you add mission capable rate of these fighters.

Lets say there's another air conflict in six years by that time the PAF will be more capable by a huge margin. FC-31's, J-10's and lets not forget more JF-17's will be in block 3 configuration. The wild card will be their F-16 fleet will some be upgraded to blk 70 standard? IAF is not looking good so far.
 
Yeah but I don't think we thought it would be this soon if Jane's Defense article is true which I'm iffy. The only positive for IAF is the low quantities of J-10s and FC-31's especially when you add mission capable rate of these fighters.

Lets say there's another air conflict in six years by that time the PAF will be more capable by a huge margin. FC-31's, J-10's and lets not forget more JF-17's will be in block 3 configuration. The wild card will be their F-16 fleet will some be upgraded to blk 70 standard? IAF is not looking good so far.
Nice attempt at a sales pitch for the F-35 but it isn't happening sweetie.


PLAAF has just begun inducting the J-35. However check for the dimensions of the PL-17, those J-35 are supposed to be equipped with.

They carry it on outer pylons & it'd appear like those candelabra you light for Hannukah on our ADS radars. Ja?
 
Yeah but I don't think we thought it would be this soon if Jane's Defense article is true which I'm iffy. The only positive for IAF is the low quantities of J-10s and FC-31's especially when you add mission capable rate of these fighters.

Lets say there's another air conflict in six years by that time the PAF will be more capable by a huge margin. FC-31's, J-10's and lets not forget more JF-17's will be in block 3 configuration. The wild card will be their F-16 fleet will some be upgraded to blk 70 standard? IAF is not looking good so far.
We'll have to continue with the Tejas production and the astra mk 3 is also nearing production so should fast-track that. The Su 30 upgrades should be fast-tracked as we've got the AESA radar, MAWS developed for it afaik. We'll have to invest more on indigenous anti stealth option for now, I don't think any jet procurement will really change the landscape tbh.
 
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