ZDK03 is indeed relatively old, still using the early PD radar, but do not consider the so-called LINK17, when the JF17 and J10C directly installed PLA data link can be, anyway, the wartime F16 and Saab early warning aircraft are difficult to supplement consumables
Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions
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Lost all respect for them(if I'd any), when they gave awards to their pilot(s) for falsely shooting an MKI. Which professional force will do that?
They even have a national holiday celebrating their 1965 loss.
Defence Day - Wikipedia
Let Abhinandan speak publicly on what happened on that day. su30MKI shooting drama & our narration of f16 shooting down, both have no merit.
I think instead of giving podcasts, Modiji should put up pictures of some good Pakistani women near his working table and work harder day and night and do some invasions. Unlike Bangladesh or China or Lanka, some good quality ROI is there inside Pakistan. Nowhere it is written we cannot invade Pakistan.
How will a long drawn out CAPs effect the life of AAMs of both India and Pak, we know AMRAAM has higher lifetime on active usage on pylon than R-77, but even assuming Astra has just more life on pylon than R-77, the fact that we can make more Astra bvrs should be helpful.
Pak has 500 odd AMRAAM C-5s that they have bought and latest one should already be more than 14 years old, so has any mid life refurbishment been done by Raytheon on these AMRAAMs?, can anyone find press release of the same?
Pakistan to buy 700 air-to-air missiles from US - Times of India
US News: Pakistan is procuring 500 Advanced AMRAAM and 200 Sidewinder missiles from America.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Pakistan Air Force is not important, China can provide Pakistan with at least 200 J-10B/C at any time，How will a long drawn out CAPs effect the life of AAMs of both India and Pak, we know AMRAAM has higher lifetime on active usage on pylon than R-77, but even assuming Astra has just more life on pylon than R-77, the fact that we can make more Astra bvrs should be helpful.
Pak has 500 odd AMRAAM C-5s that they have bought and latest one should already be more than 14 years old, so has any mid life refurbishment been done by Raytheon on these AMRAAMs?, can anyone find press release of the same?
Pakistan to buy 700 air-to-air missiles from US - Times of India
US News: Pakistan is procuring 500 Advanced AMRAAM and 200 Sidewinder missiles from America.
The question now is whether the Pakistani Army can use modern land warfare after the Russo-Ukrainian war.
where will they get 200 pilots for J-10s, will PLAAF fly them too?
Are you also offering to upgrade that order to a meal with fries and a regular drink for an extra $3.99? Since its looking more like a fast food order than a serious defense deal?
Where do you get trained pilots, support staff, infra to maintain these planes ?
Also if India starts sending 155mm shells to the Republic of China supporting them against the renegade forces on the mainland then ??
China is no US, they wont provide free lunch. Even the VT4s were paid by Saudis as said by one Pak member who knows more on armored stuff in old PDF, and apparently even J-10s initial payment came from gulf and rest is loan, with all these arrangements PAF bought just 20 odd J-10s but they will absorb 200 J-10s suddenly
And btw this is not something new for pak,
around 1970s after Yom-Kippur war, mohemmdan countries embargoed oil and jacked up prices, India was under serious strain at that time, while Pak was getting half a billion dollar aid in just one year, in present rate that equals 6billion USD, and if you compare the aid as percent of percapita income it will be even more aid required in present day, like $7 bump at a percapita lf $110 in 1975, is like 6% bump in percapita income just because of aid, if similar percent in pakistan percapita has to occur in 2025 withe a percapita of ~$1600, it requires a $100 bump percapita and for the population of 240 million, it gives 24 Billion USD of aid in just a year.
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J10C and JF17 fighters are manufactured by Chengdu AVIC, and their operation methods are basically the same. Most Pakistani pilots can fly J10C after simple training.
What Taiwan lacks is not 155mm shells. It has been stockpiling these since 1949. And the production capacity of Taiwan's 202 Factory is sufficient to meet Taiwan's needs. In fact, Taiwan does not attach importance to 155 artillery. They only have a few m109a5s and a large number of old m109a2s. Most of Taiwan's infantry brigades are still using M114s. Taiwan believes that traditional howitzers will hardly survive in war.
Obviously the Pakistani is talking nonsense. Pakistan announced the details of the J-10C deal a long time ago. It borrowed 10.1 billion RMB from China with an annual interest rate of 4.15%.China is no US, they wont provide free lunch. Even the VT4s were paid by Saudis as said by one Pak member who knows more on armored stuff in old PDF, and apparently even J-10s initial payment came from gulf and rest is loan, with all these arrangements PAF bought just 20 odd J-10s but they will absorb 200 J-10s suddenly
And btw this is not something new for pak,
around 1970s after Yom-Kippur war, mohemmdan countries embargoed oil and jacked up prices, India was under serious strain at that time, while Pak was getting half a billion dollar aid in just one year, in present rate that equals 6billion USD, and if you compare the aid as percent of percapita income it will be even more aid required in present day, like $7 bump at a percapita lf $110 in 1975, is like 6% bump in percapita income just because of aid, if similar percent in pakistan percapita has to occur in 2025 withe a percapita of ~$1600, it requires a $100 bump percapita and for the population of 240 million, it gives 24 Billion USD of aid in just a year.
see the NYTimes article of 1975 I shared, how Pak paid French for Mirages which themselves were bought on deferred payment terms but they payed french with the help of mohammedan countries donating aid,
So what might have happened in the J10CE deal with PRC is, that the first installment might be provided by gulf countries, which might not even come under the agreement between Pak and PRC.
BTW, what about VT4s, do you have any info how they financed it?
And one more thing.
No, Pakistan has not announced the details of the J-10C deal, it was hacked by Indians and leaked
. They were initially saying 36 J-10Cs were bought as a match for 36 Rafales, but once the leaks from our side happened it became clear they did not have much cash in kitty to order more.Pakistan is very secretive about these things, we generally hear from the vendor side more and they don't even release budget for deatiled analysis like this.
No country does that tho. No point in the history has a country provided such weaponry on such a large scale that too for cheap loans or some other compensations.
Also even if somehow China does what you said then the negotiations, training time, deliveries, etc will take significant time.
They miscalculated the need for an army, thinking defeating the PLAN before landfall will be sufficient. Now they have decided to focus on their army.
From where do the pilots will come, does Pakistan have trainer aircrafts to train the pilots in short period of time, what about the maintenance staff, and where gonna they keep it,
Last year terrorist burned down their some of the aircrafts,
The question now is whether the pakistan airforce can protect thier airbase, do they have enough Sam, do their SAM have the ability to protect against missiles like pralaya, LR-ASHM, peshawar is 400 kilometres from international border, do they produce ammo for their SAM system, how many of their highways are upgrade for aircraft take-offs, Pakistan ain't Ukraine who can save their aircrafts from moving it further down, it won't take us long for us to Mass produce Long range pinakas, and the pinakas, and our automobile sectors also invested heavily in defence,
You guys also have to send them laser DEW system, more SAM & ammo, jammers, train them, fuel, given them billions of dollars, to fight the war,
Currently They are surviving on IMF and aids despite the Chinese loans,