Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

[RationalGuy]

Gandiva's published range is an objective, whether they don't meet it or surpass it requires testing. And they are unlikely to tell us their true range.

PL-17 should be able to exceed 500 km.

Oh my God this means our AWACS are literally sitting ducks! Even Netra Mk2 will be under tremendous threat! @Parthu is there any way AWACS can mitigate this, like say 600 km scan and tracking?

 

[randomradio]

Since PL-17 like long range anti-AWAC missiles are becoming common. Why nobody has tried to outrange those by building AWAC radars with even larger range like 600km+ something like that? Ik there are issues with cooling, power management, radar horizon, etc.

The Indian A330 AWACS-India will provide such a range. It's more about the size of the array.

Using the Indian box design, while others are stuck with 9 m arrays facing one side at a time with triangle designs like Phalcon, 2 arrays can combine to act as a single system providing an array length of 14 m.

 

[redpanda]

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[Shan]

 

[RationalGuy]

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Resident experts by when do you think Pakistan will start receiving their J35s?

 

[_Anonymous_]

Since PL-17 like long range anti-AWAC missiles are becoming common. Why nobody has tried to outrange those by building AWAC radars with even larger range like 600km+ something like that? Ik there are issues with cooling, power management, radar horizon, etc.

Solution is two fold . One of which is to build long range radars like what you specified atop the AWACS. The other is to develop Brahmos AAM . BAPL did approach IAF with this proposal long ago which IAF in their wisdom rejected.

Whatever may have been the case then , Brahmos NG will be due for testing shortly. Use that as a template to develop a Mach 4 AAM with a range of 600 kms in a top secret project. Doable ? Of course yes. Will be do it ? Of course no !

Ideally we initiate the project immediately , fast track testing & induction & get 500-1000 nos of this ASAP. Assuming 4 million USD / piece , works out to 2 billion USD. Satisfies all parameters be it technology wise , feasibility wise , budget wise & whatever other parameters you can think of .

 

[redpanda]

Resident experts by when do you think Pakistan will start receiving their J35s?

2028-29 if everything goes well for them. Though, it depends on lots of things. Like geopolitics play a part in this as well. China might not like revival of bond between Pakistan & USA. I mean nothing stops Pakistan to sell secret of J-35 to America. Although they might still get it, there could be delays due to technical, logistical & geopolitical factors.

 

[RationalGuy]

2028-29 if everything goes well for them. Though, it depends on lots of things. Like geopolitics play a part in this as well. China might not like revival of bond between Pakistan & USA. I mean nothing stops Pakistan to sell secret of J-35 to America. Although they might still get it, there could be delays due to technical, logistical & geopolitical factors.

I think China will still give J35 to Pakistan but if Pakistan keeps going closer to US camp, they will give a highly degraded version, with lower stealth and different avionics than what the PLAN will be getting, and they will probably give them PL15E instead of the real deal PL15 to go with them.

Who knows maybe China will give them a version which is actually closer to FC31 than J35 even lol.