Su-57 with AL-51 should only be considered. Since the engine is in final stage of development , final testing should be done in India. Another condition is 100% TOT with source code. Joint production can also be considered. We need not worry about US bickering nor sanctions.
PAK-FA / Sukhoi Su-57 - Updates and Discussions
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We rejected F-35 even when it was "officially" offered by world's most powerful man in front of the world. We know what we want. AL-51 is the most coveted thing about Su-57. Russians know this too and they need India way more than they have ever had in their history. Just connect the dots
Anyways, I agree with your assessment but let's see what kind of contract is inked. The initial would be for 3-5 squadrons(60-100). Whether that includes local production(should have it) or AL-51(still not sure), is to be seen.
Just like always, people continue to doubt me despite my 90% plus predictions coming true here, lol.
As I said few pages back(which I have quoted here), FGFA is back now like a Phoenix from the ashes and this is from the highest level
This screenshot is from the "official" ANI report, just make whatever you want out of it
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@YoungWolf, @_Anonymous_, @babablacksheep, @batman, @Sathya, @Parthu, @Gautam, @vstol Jockey, @randomradio, @Aniruddha et al
As I said few pages back(which I have quoted here), FGFA is back now like a Phoenix from the ashes and this is from the highest level
This screenshot is from the "official" ANI report, just make whatever you want out of it
Link:
Don't count your chickens until they've hatched. "Sources" say a lot of things that "can't be ruled out at the moment". I'll send you celebratory bottle of champagne when it materialises, and not before.Just like always, people continue to doubt me despite my 90% plus predictions coming true here, lol.
@YoungWolf, @_Anonymous_, @babablacksheep, @batman, @Sathya, @Parthu, @Gautam, @vstol Jockey, @randomradio et al
As I said few pages back(which I have quoted here), FGFA is back now like a Phoenix from the ashes and this is from the highest level
This screenshot is from ANI report, just make out whatever you want out of it
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If this *source* turned to be true, I'll touch your feet( digitally).Just like always, people continue to doubt me despite my 90% plus predictions coming true here, lol.
@YoungWolf, @_Anonymous_, @babablacksheep, @batman, @Sathya, @Parthu, @Gautam, @vstol Jockey, @randomradio, @Aniruddha et al
As I said few pages back(which I have quoted here), FGFA is back now like a Phoenix from the ashes and this is from the highest level
This screenshot is from the "official" ANI report, just make whatever you want out of it
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Till then, lets wait.
Though i also kind of want it to turn out to be true, if we can get delivery from 2030.
As we ain't gonna have any significant enough amca fleet before 2040.
From today That's 15 years without significant manned stealth fighter capability, if foreign stealth jet is not procured.
Though i hope it doesn't monetarly affect amca program itself, as that's the final destination.
With the arrival of AI pilot's associate, voice command (also being integrated into MKI cockpit) and 360 deg EODAS/conformal radar coverage, a second pilot is redundant in today's day and age, imo. MUM-T is a different matter. We probably won't see that tech going mainstream until 6G jets come online. Let's wait for Putin chacha to come over later this year.
China just revealed twin seater j20, and china is the country leading mum-t development.
Russia developing a twin seater su57.
America f47's revealed artist rendering gives hint of twin seater canopy
China's j36 and j50 prototypes both appear to be twin seater.
F15 ex, whose delivery begin in 2021 is a twin seater jet.
On the contrary, thanks to MUM-T requirements and EW, a 2-seat fighter jet in the heavyweight class makes more sense than single seated ones.
If we have real deal for Su-57 with full TOT including engine, we may not go ahead with JV with Safran for AMCA engine or even F414 tech. Today Russians have caught up with USA in engine teach and the most fuel efficient engines of USA are inferior to Russian engines like PD-35 in SFC.
If Su-57 is meant to take over from the MKI as our new air (A2A) dominance fighter, a two-seat config would be overkill, imo.
In any case, a two-seat config brings with it stealth signature, weight, and performance penalties—for a 5G jet meant to counter F-22s, that would be a disadvantage.
The CONOPS for F-47s and J-36/50 haven't been made public yet. So it's premature to talk about those yet. Perhaps the second pilot aka WSO is needed to operate DEW/microwave weapons. Who knows?
Western next-gen fighter concepts like FCAS and Tempest are designed around a combat cloud which allows for the remote operation of weapons, drones, EW/cyber attack, etc.
Plus they're talking about optionally manned ac today; a second pilot sounds so regressive.
We need to engage with Uncle Sam despite Trump's tantrums so not to make it complete hostile towards us. French Engine JV is also required not only to power our future fighters but to have critical EU/French support when in need. We can't separate geo-politics from defense, IMO.
Rest, Russians have definitely caught up with the West as far as jet engine tech is concerned. That's true.
A perfect completement/supplement actually
It comes with other advantages though which outweigh the drawbacks.
J-20 2-seat version is a lock now. Rest are just speculation.
MUM-T requirement would make a second pilot a necessity rather than luxury. Let's see what path do we choose.
I'd imagine Su-57 is to a notional FGFA 2-seater what F-15C was to F-15E/EX.
I never doubted you in the first place, having read the genius engineering behind the su57 and their marvelous solutions for various aviation problems to meet their requirements, I can safely say that the su57 is the best jet in the world right now and we should thanks whoever we can that we can buy this jet, getting tot, production facility, source code etc is a huge bonus as well.Just like always, people continue to doubt me despite my 90% plus predictions coming true here, lol.
@YoungWolf, @_Anonymous_, @babablacksheep, @batman, @Sathya, @Parthu, @Gautam, @vstol Jockey, @randomradio, @Aniruddha et al
As I said few pages back(which I have quoted here), FGFA is back now like a Phoenix from the ashes and this is from the highest level
This screenshot is from the "official" ANI report, just make whatever you want out of it
View attachment 46255
Link:
Maybe we shouldn't keep all of our eggs in one basket, India doesn't even have a single engine we can use for our indegnious aircrafts right now, we need a reliable engine which we can scale and serve as the backbone of our jets like the su30mki for our airforce, since no country has mastered VCE yet, it isn't an urgent requirement right now, not to mention with the su57, we would have a range advantage over our enemies either way. Only after we have an engine of our own, should we experiment on next gen engines which may face many hurdles, we should walk before we can run.
Russian equipement has performed best for us in any conflict. We defeated the best of their counterparts in every conflict. Why ditch something which aligns with our tactics just on the excuse of not putting all eggs in same basket. Not just Russia but even France knows that if India buys a weapon system, the whole world buys it.
With all due respect, the Indian armed forces war fighting philosophy is Western inspired but their equipment profile is largely of Eastern-origin.
This has created some doctrinal dissonance over the years. This contrast can be seen in the IAs insistence on 25t max weight for Zorawar and sub-50t weight limit for FCRV/FMBT.
This is despite the fact that much heavier Abrams/Leo MBTs have suffered heavy losses in Ukraine due to the FPV/LM threat. Curiously, Russia itself is moving away from older gen T-72/90s to heavier T-90M/Armata tanks.
Lightly armoured BMP-1/2s are even more vulnerable. The IA has refused to consider modular armour packages offered by DRDO. Could have disastrous consequences in the future.
Even with the AL-51, it outperforms almost every jet, AL-51 doesnt have to be an absolute necessity since su57 has a better optimized airframe than other 5th gen products.