Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

[randomradio]

Could be - however, airstrike will probably have to be launched from within our airspace this time - there is zero element of surprise this time, so going deep doesn’t make a lot of sense strategically.

For operations beyond the initial attack, for example a land foray inside Pakistan. It will happen from Punjab. And that exercise watches our back. It can be extended too.

 

[randomradio]

It's just a language issue. The operating interfaces of JF17 and J10C are exactly the same. Isn't Pakistan's J10CE using Urdu or English now?
Tomorrow, maybe a Chinese J10C will land in Pakistan from Iran or Afghanistan.
As for combat system, except for a few old F16s and Mirage 3s, all Pakistani aircraft are Chinese weapons, so there is no problem with combat system.

You don't get it. You have to replace Chinese-specific systems with Pakistani ones. You can't do that overnight, you actually have to send an order out to build those first. For example, what radio does China use relative to Pakistan? How quickly can that be replaced? What about the mission computer? What about cockpit design? Who is going to train all the pilots? As per the Americans, it takes 13 months to train an experienced Mig-29 pilot to fly an F-16. Ground crew needs more time than that. Who is going to reconfigure your Himalayan-configured EW suite to make it suitable over Punjab? Will you supply your own PLAAF-specific EW suite and compromise it across all your theater of operations? Once core capabilities of an EW system are exposed, you have to change it across the entire fleet.

And you want to send Chinese systems, not Pakistan-specific systems, but Chinese systems, that are in use in PLAAF, those need to be translated into English. PLAAF avionics and export avionics are not necessarily the same.

By the time you decide to reconfigure and send J-10s to Pakistan, the war would have ended months ago. PAF can only fight with what they have today. At best you can send them precision weapons they can use quickly.

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1916385796929761451

 

[randomradio]

You can try it, it's a unique delusion of Indians

What I stated are facts. Find arguments against what I said.

 

[randomradio]

The only war happening between India and Pakistan is at the PDF. If there's no "retaliation" by India come the end of this week then no conflict is happening.

Retaliation is 100% coming, time taken depends on what the objectives are.

The economic and diplomatic retaliations have already begun. And we have given time for Pakistanis to leave and Indians to return from Pakistan.

Right now, forces are positioning themselves.

 

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1916385796929761451

Bad decision on their part.

 

[randomradio]

The explosion in Iran is exactly the kind of convergence of interests one might observe between India, Israel and other informal partners.

Let's look at it point by point:

• The rapid presence of the Indian CBG (naval air group around the Vikrant or Vikramaditya) in the Arabian Sea is clearly aimed at interdicting any strategic maritime deliveries to Pakistan.
• This is a vital zone for preventing the arrival of weapons, drones or missiles.
• China often uses Iranian ports, such as Bandar Abbas, to transit materials destined discreetly for Pakistan (via “civilian” or “commercial” networks).

The massive explosion reported near Bandar Abbas could therefore be :

• A pre-emptive strike against a batch of sensitive weapons.
• A “grey zone” operation (neither claimed nor formalized) attributable to Israel, which keeps a close eye on Iranian and Chinese trafficking.

Israel and India have a common interest here:

• Israel wants to prevent Chinese high-tech weapons getting into the hands of hostile groups or states.
• India wants to prevent these weapons from fuelling the Pakistani war effort.

To sum up:

• This would be an indirect, swift and surgical action that simultaneously serves the strategic objectives of Israel and India.
• Exactly in the spirit of discreet but effective cooperation between partners with converging interests.

Very credible:

• The Indians are extremely attentive to Iranian maritime corridors, especially when Iran is porous to Chinese deliveries.
• Israel is already active in clandestine operations on Iranian ports, especially in the south (Bandar Abbas, Jask).
• The speed of the explosion after the rise in Indo-Pakistani tension is consistent with this type of “opportunistic” strike.

The attack was too early to be something supplied from China for Pak if a Chinese ship left port after Aug 22nd. Very likely to be an Iran-Israel thing.

 

[Saaho]

its anti-missile system is also very strong.

Nothing works at all against MIRVs. Nothing is strong against MIRVs. China will die.

 

[Lolwa]

Swift Retort redux.
Lobbing PL15(E) from deep within their airspace will probably not get them kills, but can send our assets defensive. IAF needs to ensure that we are able to get our BVRMs off this time - get a firing solution and engage.

We need the r-37m's. There was a reason I kept saying we needed the r-37m's. Now we will be forced to enter Pakistani kill zones to take out their aircrafts. We should stick to bombing their Terrorist launchpads with rocks and rampage. And then when they come take their fighters out with meteors. We need the rvv-bd on priority for the Flankers.

 

[Saaho]

The only war happening between India and Pakistan is at the PDF. If there's no "retaliation" by India come the end of this week then no conflict is happening.

Currently, 0.5 front is being crushed. Pakistan's supporters inside India, local helpers, Bangladeshis, cross border spouses, Rohingyas, sleeper cells, on ground workers, families of terrorists etc are being rounded up.

It is a useful step... during conflict this 0.5 front is trouble.

 

[Sathya]

Another day gone. No attack from India. Disappointed

Seems like u.r eager to the destruction..

 

[Lolwa]

Well, we have now assumed that India will launch a nuclear war against China. Now we have to consider the nuclear weapons levels of both sides. China has a significant advantage and its anti-missile system is also very strong.

China has laughable bmd capability. The only thing going for you is the nukes that's to the soviets helping you.

Another day gone. No attack from India. Disappointed

Its quite hilarious how you try to hide your anxiousness under all that.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Another day gone. No attack from India. Disappointed

You seem quite resigned to your fate & docile , maamu. What's the matter ? The bright prospects of Naya Paxtan did that to you , or the fact that you know how this one is going to end for Fauji Foundation or the fact that Dimran Khansama has now been locked & the keys thrown away or age has caught up with you or other factors or all of the above ?

I recall you were much more fiesty same time 2019 . On topic you of all people must know we love our sisters differently as compared to you , plus we aren't Punjabi Musalmans who'd talk & fa rt thru the same orifice or the fact that we're kuffar banias who think plan & then act as opposed to act first & think & plan later .

The only war happening between India and Pakistan is at the PDF. If there's no "retaliation" by India come the end of this week then no conflict is happening.

For the love of J̶e̶s̶u̶s̶ Ya'hweh , is there any Sinaitic law you haven't broken ? From thy shall not lie to thy shall not lie with a man to thy shall observe the Sabbath .

I know of Moshes who're so pious that they last inhale at 23:59:59 on Friday night & exhale at 00:00:01 on Sunday morning. That's how seriously they take their Sabbath & the concept of no work , complete rest on the day & then there's you. .

There are 195 countries in the world of which Shlomos are unwelcome in 194 except Zion & its colony of 50 states across the Atlantic & instead of heading there helping fellow Moshes fight the Philistines , li'l Dāwîḏ here is far ting around on the internet that too on a Sabbath.

 

[Saaho]

Another day gone. No attack from India. Disappointed

The reality is, Pakistan has already lost. For the first time in the history, Kashmir's local population is fully aligned with Delhi's perspective. Kashmir's leadership is fully aligned with Delhi's perspective. Visibly, Kashmiri are calling these terrorists as Terrorists and not as "Freedom Fighters". Right now, homes of such elements are being destroyed and no local support for such people is being seen. Previously, there used to be massive support, stone pelting in protecting these folks, their families and property. Nothing like that is visible any more. Even all party Huriyat conference is not visible giving any messages to support Pakistan's cause. This has never been seen before. Pakistan's cause in Kashmir is dead now. Heck, even in PoK, it is dead after military coup by Munir. Not to mention, LoC as of now is no longer LoC but only ceasefire line. You want proof of it? There is no new CRPF deployment in Kashmir right now. There is no suspension of internet and mobile in Kashmir right now. Never seen in past situation like this.

Diplomatically Pakistan's defeat is complete too. Suspension of Indus water treaty means now no red line of Pakistan is remaining. Interestingly there has been no rebuke on this matter from world bank or even from China. No one is standing for Pakistan's critical survival interests. With Pakistan's water cut off, Pakistan's very survival is under question. Already de-silting and water flow control is happening without any consultation with Pakistan. Construction of new reservoirs and canals is soon to start as well.

All thats remaining is punishing Pakistan militarily. That will happen for sure. At what scale? I am not sure. But there will be a military punishment.

 

[Saaho]

Ultimately, military's goal is to enforce a nation's interest and diplomacy using kinetic force. So yes, India will do that. Because that puts Delhi's position in Kashmir's peace in question, so rest assured they will do that. They do not have much option there. The question is of scale. Will it be full fledged destruction of Pakistan's war fighting capability? Will it be selective destruction of terrorist support in Pakistan? That is to be seen.

My view is it will be partial destruction of terrorist support infrastructure in Pakistan using military force, very very publicly so Pakistan can not deny that this time.

 

[South block]

Tandav is coming just wait and watch

 

[Defc0n]

Ultimately, military's goal is to enforce a nation's interest and diplomacy using kinetic force. So yes, India will do that. Because that puts Delhi's position in Kashmir's peace in question, so rest assured they will do that. They do not have much option there. The question is of scale. Will it be full fledged destruction of Pakistan's war fighting capability? Will it be selective destruction of terrorist support in Pakistan? That is to be seen.

My view is it will be partial destruction of terrorist support infrastructure in Pakistan using military force, very very publicly so Pakistan can not deny that this time.

See the conundrum? Pakistan’s terror infrastructure is their military infrastructure. Pak army runs the terror factory within Pak. We cannot effectively stop terrorism without hitting Pak army.

So, any strike on non-military targets will be a waste and is not going to make any difference!

 

[South block]

See the conundrum? Pakistan’s terror infrastructure is their military infrastructure. Pak army runs the terror factory within Pak. We cannot effectively stop terrorism without hitting Pak army.

So, any strike on non-military targets will be a waste and is not going to make any difference!

This has been known for last 40 to 50 years what's new... No action was taken back than... None will be taken now. Believe it when you see it.

 

[Defc0n]

This has been known for last 40 to 50 years what's new... No action was taken back than... None will be taken now. Believe it when you see it.

Precisely. That’s where the recent speech from PM “Terrorist and their backers” become extremely important and relevant.

If despite all this, we go ahead with the same old script of hitting and killing few 100 expendables with no visible damage to actual terror infrastructure, read Pak army and it’s war fighting capabilities, it will become extremely difficult for the government to justify it’s re-election. In a way, it will be seen as loss of face and loss of political capital as well.

From the perspective of the families who lost their loved ones, imagine the grief if Pak, read Army and Munir, goes unpunished.

 

[South block]

Precisely. That’s where the recent speech from PM “Terrorist and their backers” become extremely important and relevant.

If despite all this, we go ahead with the same old script of hitting and killing few 100 expendables with no visible damage to actual terror infrastructure, read Pak army and it’s war fighting capabilities, it will become extremely difficult for the government to justify it’s re-election. In a way, it will be seen as loss of face and loss of political capital as well.

From the perspective of the families who lost their loved ones, imagine the grief if Pak, read Army and Munir, goes unpunished.

full blown war with Russian style land grab is the only solution..... Anything less than that is a eyewash.