Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

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Mere surgical strikes and air strikes are not sufficient. We need uninterrupted economic development while they disappear into oblivion on their own. Pak needs to experience a loss in territory, so let's hope the politicians actually listen to the military's advise.

Take the Simla Agreement's abeyance by Pakistan, I think Pakistan wants to re-energize terrorism by forcing India to take away some land legally. This will convince some people in PoL/PoJK to join in, not just Punjabis and Pashtuns. If we have to pre-empt that, Pakistan's gonna have to lose pretty much all of PoJK at the very least.
Ruling party need absolute majority, Politicians can do everything to be in power. Pushing LOC 15-20 km inside pok and taking haji pirr is enough for them to create huge public support. Bureaucrats ego will not allow them to listen to military advise, they only listen when they want power. Everything is human psychology. Politician's want to be alive, so they avoid anything which harms them physically. We will rule the world only when we get leader ready to fight and die for country. Politician's are not leader, Politician's don't take responsibility, Politician's play dirty games with their citizens, Politician's are not ready to die for their country. Politician decide according to crowd's emotion. We would have captured Pok, Aksai chin and other territory. Pakistan and bangladesh is our land. Tibet Kailash mansarovar is our land. But because of politician's we have lost everthing. Who give power to politician's, it's citizens. Politician's and citizens are equally responsible for everthing happened to our country. Not every citizens are going to accept this truth. But truth is truth. Citizen's are responsible and will be held accountable because they don't ask politician's and blindly follow them and Easily get impressed by politician for their minor act of nationalism.
 
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Lol at the stupid Chinese thinking that India doesn't have thermonuclear tech when the truth is we've it from the mid 1970s. The low yield at Pokhran 2 was deliberate. An Agni 5 MK2 with 3 200KT warheads is good enough to send Beijing or Shanghai into stone age. Try hard @LX1111
 
Ruling party need absolute majority, Politicians can do everything to be in power. Pushing LOC 15-20 km inside pok and taking haji pirr is enough for them to create huge public support. Bureaucrats ego will not allow them to listen to military advise, they only listen when they want power. Everything is human psychology. Politician's want to be alive, so they avoid anything which harms them physically. We will rule the world only when we get leader ready to fight and die for country. Politician's are not leader, Politician's don't take responsibility, Politician's play dirty games with their citizens, Politician's are not ready to die for their country. Politician decide according to crowd's emotion. We would have captured Pok, Aksai chin and other territory. Pakistan and bangladesh is our land. Tibet Kailash mansarovar is our land. But because of politician's we have lost everthing. Who give power to politician's, it's citizens. Politician's and citizens are equally responsible for everthing happened to our country. Not every citizens are going to accept this truth. But truth is truth. Citizen's are responsible and will be held accountable because they don't ask politician's and blindly follow them and Easily get impressed by politician for their minor act of nationalism.

While that has always been the case, sometimes the rules change, even if it's temporary, 'cause actions are dictated by the adversary as well.
Exactly, Destroying their War Machine should be our Aim

Given their economy and industrial capacities, it would take them a lot of time and money to replace the lost assets

No country will give anything free to them

Absolute destruction would cross the nuclear threshold, but destroying 10-20% alone would set them back by a decade. They struggle to buy just 200-300 tanks every decade, never mind fighter jets. Too much destruction would bring in foreign funding, which is undesirable.
 
We are only obsessing about Planes and Radars and Air to Air Missiles

The real damage would be done by Missiles such as Brahmos and Pralay and Prithvis if still remaining in stocks

Without destroying Ground based Radars and SAMs , there is no point in sending Fighter planes
You see bro now why I was obsessing over PL-15s:


Remaining one step ahead of the threat ensures survivability in war.

@randomradio, @vstol Jockey, @marich01, @_Anonymous_, @Parthu, @Speedster1, @YoungWolf, @Ironhide, @Milspec, @nair, @Asterion Moloc, @Ankit Kumar et al

Looks like Pakistan's abbujan sent real PL-15s this time around rather than PL-15E. Both have got different propellants which ensures better kinematics of the former. IAF needs to pay attention to this missile and devise a counter, IMO.
 
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You see bro now why I was obsessing over PL-15s:


Remaining one step ahead of the threat ensures survivability in war.

@randomradio, @vstol Jockey, @marich01, @_Anonymous_, @Parthu, @Speedster1, @YoungWolf, @Ironhide, @Milspec, @nair, @Asterion Moloc, @Ankit Kumar et al

Looks like Pakistan's abbujan sent real PL-15s this time around rather than PL-15E. Both have got different propellants which ensures better kinematics of the former. IAF needs to pay attention to this missile and devise a counter, IMO.

The source is this :
This a twitter handle. And they are saying it is 200KM range missile PL-15. Question is, how the hell do they know and if they are telling the truth.
 
More funny thing: They are showing it on JF-17... That has an AESA radar with range of 170 KM only... that too with liquid cooled variant. JF-17 Block 3 has air cooled variant so expect lesser range. Not to mention these are detecting ranges... tracking one will be still lesser. So I wonder, what good will a 200KM range missile do on JF-17.

These folks could have shown J-10s. But then they went greedy to show their strength in numbers too.
 
You see bro now why I was obsessing over PL-15s:


Remaining one step ahead of the threat ensures survivability in war.

@randomradio, @vstol Jockey, @marich01, @_Anonymous_, @Parthu, @Speedster1, @YoungWolf, @Ironhide, @Milspec, @nair, @Asterion Moloc, @Ankit Kumar et al

Looks like Pakistan's abbujan sent real PL-15s this time around rather than PL-15E. Both have got different propellants which ensures better kinematics of the former. IAF needs to pay attention to this missile and devise a counter, IMO.
Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there were reports that Israel had delivered PGMs to India. I'm fairly sure this piece of news is to counter that. Stratcom is clearly a psy-ops Twitter handle run by ISPR.

But PL-15 does have a range of 200km as confirmed by Huitong over at Chinese Military Aviation Blog. No mention of AESA seeker though.

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Can you name these canals? What is the source of the canal water? I am assuming one of the rivers of the Indus River system.

I thought do or die is Pakistan's default mindset. If not, how would you describe your current mindset & how is it different from do-or-die?

Again, I thought "full apesh*t" is Pakistan's default mindset.

Let's say these strikes are successful. How would Pakistan deal with the resultant flooding? It is my understanding that Pakistan doesn't have the infra to store even 20% of the nominal flows of the rivers. I don't see how your infra will hold up against a flash flood.

Pakistan's current water storage capacity is 16-18 BCM excluding the sedimentation losses. Total discharge of all rivers from India to Pakistan is ~105-120 BCM. Even if Pakistan were to release all their dams simultaneously & let the water drain into the sea, flooding is inevitable.

Unsurprisingly the Indus River basin has a very high correlation with the most productive agriculture regions of Pakistan. The regions that will most likely get flooded are the most agriculturally productive regions of Pakistan.

A similar thing happened to Bangladesh recently. Brahmaputra was flooded due to excess rain, pumping an additional ~20 BCM of water into Bangladesh. This caused major crop failures across the country. Few months back they had to buy grains from us.

Now this was caused by excess rains. A much slower process than a flash flood. Flash floods are usually a whole lot worse.
Yes, indus basin has high crop yield. But that has more to do with the type of soil in these areas, not just river water.
Nah, turns out Pakistan is still 80% river dependent. 90% of food production comes out of river water.

Anyway, less water means less water in canals, making it easier to cross.



Faster surrender.



Surrender, third option.
Seriously 😂😂.
Less water means easier to cross? 😁
 
Started the thread already ?

I thought it ll progress from Pahalgam terror thread -> Loc thread -> War thread.

We are still in Pahalgam thread.

That being said longer we are in first & second thread , more damage to Pak.

Seems like they have prepared early/ fast for any Indian response to terror attack .

Who ll benefit from this war?

Asim Munir will extend his tenure as chief
Chinese will avoid India cashing on trade war
Pak will drag down India s growth together with them since they're lost case anyways.


Should India make it beneficial for it..
Should keep Pakistan under war threat for longer time, breaking it economy
Correcting oulllll
 
What's the situation in India after airspace blockage for Indian passenger planes?
Thousands of extra miles for Indian airlines and expensive jet fuel.
are you in pakistan? or in UK? What is the current situation in pakistan? are your military going to attack first ? what are your air force capabilities?
 
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