My dear sir, Sirsa is like 250 km away from Delhi
. It's closer to IB than it is to Delhi. Lumber 1 rocket Fateh is as good as a flying lumber of wood.Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan
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. It's closer to IB than it is to Delhi. Lumber 1 rocket Fateh is as good as a flying lumber of wood.
Not days it will be years. The guy who shot Osama Bin Laden revealed himself now in 2025, 14 years after that operation.@vstol Jockey
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My Question Below ; Please Answer
I was just Thinking that After How many DAYS are the Fighter Pilots allowed to Tell their Families that they were part of the Strike Packages from 6th May to 10 th May
Is there some Rule for or against such disclosures
I think @Gautam and @marich01 are the best people to ask regarding status of GaN Uttam.
What I can say is that physically, the Uttam on Tejas Mk2 will be a bigger array than RBE2 (simply because Tejas Mk2's nose will be bigger than Rafale's), and will have a larger number of TRMs to work with. But all else being equal, it won't have as much electric power to work with (single engine vs dual engine).
The rest will depend on how many functionalities we manage to implement, like GMTI, SAR, NCTR etc. If the work we're doing on current version of Uttam is any indication, these functionalities will be extensive.
But the most critical capability in my opinion is that we will have 100% design & IP control. Need not pay anyone or ask anyone's permission to implement whatever weapons or systems we want with it, and it will work seamlessly with our UEWS.
Combine this with Netra Mk-1A/Mk-2, and Tejas Mk2 will be one hell of a potent platform that can give any J-10C or J-16 a run for its money.
Normal ppl have been watching too many "Top Gun" type movies and shows where they think dogfighting = entire war. Of course air power is essentially but to base entire analysis on one aspect of the entire conflict is silly.Article by Tom Cooper (link below):
India-Pakistan, Additional Details, Part 2 & Q&A
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Q: I saw the interview with Times TV. Not a single mention of the Rafale downing. Why not? Is this major incident not important in the context of the war. Or was it edited out by Indians terrible media channels?
I’ve explained this in regards of the ‘public narrative’ at the start of this feature. Let me add an even more important aspect.
I find it is impossible to emphasise strongly enough – especially for those still insistent on ‘but Pakistan shot down 5, 15, 50 Indian jets: Pakistan won’ – that in the case of this war, no matter how short and intensive or not, one must keep in mind: one nuclear power (named India) disabled the nuclear deterrent of another nuclear power (named Pakistan). If you like, name them San Marino and Brunei, or switch names, if it’s going to make you feel better. But, this is a matter of fact.
Tejas Mk2 can confront even J16??? Waw
. But of course we need far more extensive AWACS support than we have currently. More importantly we NEED to link Astra Mk2 with Netra AWACS. Somehow this must be done imo.
Pause in India-Pak military action, Army works on plan to ‘rebalance’ troops at border
Pak will pull back; India had not ramped up mobilisation but will ease earlier restrictions on leave and movement
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A fortnight into the pause of military action in the wake of the April 22 Pahalgam terror attack, a proposed plan for “rebalancing of troops” is being discussed within the military to avoid any fresh escalation at the borders, The Indian Express has learned.
This even as Operation Sindoor is on pause and all alerts remain at their heightened levels.
While Indian and Pak armies are focusing on multiple confidence-building measures, plans for de-escalating troops and equipment from the borders within the next fortnight are being considered.
Incidentally, India had not ordered large-scale mobilisation or deployment of offensive formations over the last month. Limited equipment and corresponding troops, which had been moved from their permanent locations to operational ones, are now planning to go back to their regular locations.
During Operation Sindoor, the density of troops along the borders had increased but that was more because of curtailing leave and less essential movement. However, sources said, these restrictions have now been lifted. Even short-term courses, which were to be cancelled temporarily, will now continue as per slated schedules.
According to sources, after the first two days following the ceasefire agreement, no aerial violations by Pakistani drones were reported though the occasional stray drones were sighted in Jammu and Kashmir.
They added that there are orders in place to avoid firing on them without appropriate clearances, even as any ceasefire violations at the LoC will be responded to by the troops.
As Prime Minister Narendra Modi had flagged, in his address to the nation, Operation Sindoor is only on pause. This would imply that the military would continue to remain at a heightened state of alertness and operational readiness, while maintaining a strong defensive posture throughout.
There has been no official statement from the government on whether there have been DGMO-level talks on the de-escalation after May 12.
On May 12, DGMO Lieutenant General Rajiv Ghai spoke to his Pakistani counterpart Major General Kashif Abdullah – their second conversation since they agreed to stop all military action—during which it was agreed that both sides would consider immediate measures to ensure troop reduction from the borders and forward areas.
I do not think it was the x-band radar on fighter that was limiting factor here. That radar in Rafale was totally fine.
I think deciding factors were AESA seeker on PL-15 which resisted jamming and long range radar on AEW&C of Pakistan which helped detecting and tracking the targets.
IAF knowingly did not deploy Netra / Phalcon. Either Rafales are not integrated with Phalcon or more likely IAF did not think their strike package is in the risk of air to air combat inside Indian airspace. May be they underestimated strike range of PL15 or intent of PAF. May be they were mandated to avoid a air to air combat and they worked out their entire mission based on those parameters.
You know, very limited missile load on Rafales for air to air combat. We did not see any meteor in the debris.
As per the few patents/drawings of Uttam MK2, it's still using GaAs TRMs. That news that you read in I D R W is likely false. Though the later prototypes/final production models may be GaN, as we all anticipated and wanted.
Rafale's production RBE2 AESA has around 1000 TRMs. Uttam MK2 will also have around 912 TRMs, the same as Uttam MK1. J-10C's KLJ7 has over 1200 TRMs(IIRC). Chinese may already be using GaN in all their AESA radars.
Anyways, it is my opinion that our Uttam is going to be as good as any foreign AESA. We'll also tweak and update it regularly to suit our needs which is not possible with imported radars.
NDTV or some other news channels need to get a clear satellite image of this facility.....Look like whole roof collapsed
For special missions like Balakot strikes, family gets to know after the operation is over. But for Op Sindoor, the families would have known in advance as the entire base was activated.@vstol Jockey
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If Any Member who knows about
My Question Below ; Please Answer
I was just Thinking that After How many DAYS are the Fighter Pilots allowed to Tell their Families that they were part of the Strike Packages from 6th May to 10 th May
Is there some Rule for or against such disclosures
That's part of the SPECTRA suite, it's not a new system designed specifically for India.
Trust me, you have zero clue about this.
You literally just said a bucket contains less water than a mug. I can't do anything with this level of ignorance in a subject.
Depends on whether they plan on keeping AMCA going like LCA or cancel it entirely.
The F-47 needing range is a different thing compared to your argument about the spread of missile bases on islands. They are not even related.
If you understood how radars worked, you wouldn't bring it up.
At least we don't have any offboard assets that can cue the Meteor better than the Rafale. For example, Netra cannot tell if a target at 300 km is at 9 km alttiude or 1 km. So it vectors the Rafale to the threat. Then the Rafale uses its radar to resolve the target into a 1x1 km box, the closer it moves towards the target the smaller the box becomes.
To resolve targets for BVRAAMs, we need digital GaN of Erieye-ER or Netra Mk1A/2. When people talk about using AWACS to cue missiles, this is the entry level tech they are talking about. But even with GaN, they will still not be able to do a better job than the Rafale, but at least they can put a missile in the viscinity of the target for the seeker to pick up. The missile pk will be low, but it's something.
So, no, even with upcoming radars the Rafale's radar will be better.
Where on earth did that come from?
Cooperative tactics have nothing to do with VLO, pretty much the opposite in fact. It's about the radar that's emitting. For stealth, they need to use receive-only modes.
What I'm talking about is a bunch of jets providing far more information than AWACS by getting their radars cooperating with each other in non-stealth mode while operating very close to the enemy because they are fighter jets, which means the enemy knows they are being watched just like they can tell there's AWACS present. In that respect, 4 Virupakshas will provide far more data than 1 Netra. So what VLO?
There's a reason the Rafale only uses Link-16 (or in our case, whichever we use) which is omnidirectional transmission. It cannot do cooperative tactics inside enemy airspace and expect not to be seen. Not to mention, it's not a VLO jet to begin with.
That's why France wants to continue buying AEWs.
France Nears Deal for Swedish Saab GlobalEye for AWACS Replacement
France Nears Deal for Swedish Saab GlobalEye for AWACS Replacementarmyrecognition.com
Maybe you should educate them that as they plan on moving to a Rafale-only fighter fleet within a decade, they no longer need an AEW for long-range tracks.
France can't afford a global AMTI constellation. They have to work with whatever the US lets them use. So they have no choice but to rely on AWACS for independent operations that can quickly go island hopping across the world to all their overseas territories. India too, it's not like India will get an AMTI constellation faster than the US or China either.
Lol.
That's aperture and power. That's a good start, you know the first letter is A. Now what about the rest of the alphabet? Do you know what comes after aperture and power?
Not even close. Virupaksha will probably have less power in each TRM compared to APG-77 due to Bars limitations, and will still significantly surpass it. There's a lot more at play here.
You can divide PESA into three generations. But you can divide AESA into 8 or 9 generations. APG-81 is at the lower end and the APG-85 is at the higher end. At the minimum, the APG-85 needs to at least be as good as what's coming with RBE2-XG.
To deal with current gen targets, APG-81 is more than enough, but to deal with MUM-T, RBE2-XG is at the entry level of what's necessary. And the expectation is the J-20 is already there.
So we can't fight the Chinese with the APG-81, it's too old and likely already useless.
The Americans are introducing the APG-85 early in order to keep up with the Chinese. And you think the IAF is gonna be retarded enough to choose systems that won't work against the Chinese?
I don't mind choosing between a 5nm and a 7nm, but what you are proposing is choosing between a 64nm and a 2nm. That's how much of a gap there is between 81 and 85.
Thats some unreal level of precision. Impressive!!!Also, can someone verify these images. This guy seems to paying for his own imagery
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This is getting traction..
How some evidence comes out
We have to wait for the evidence, you just can't rely on Shishir Gupta,
Awacs are big platforms and it's nearly impossible to hide the Jet, given that it's was operating in Punjab & sindh it makes Even harder to hide it, let the IAF came out with full briefing,
As they have Said they will reveal everything in due time
The HT is wrong with one assessment tho C130 is completely fine, even the IAF has said there was only one target They have striked in noor khan Air base, and sat image's also proves no C 130 has damage, Also HT repeatedly reported false News in russia Ukraine war, so it's hard to take them a reliable source
Pakistan spokesperson also have said we striked Afghanistan, we launched six ballastic missiles into our territory, he did live briefing in the middle of the night lmao, not every squadron of su30mki can fire brahmos only a few of them can, 1 sortie one brahmos, land brahmos have bigger nose cone, not a single of them has been found while we have certainly seen the ALCM brahmos nose cone,
A airforce which which uses civilians aircraft to sheild itself,
Tells a lot about them
A vet on their forum claimed "minor splinter" damage to one C-130.
I'm talking about the small HBJ under the nozzles. It doesn't exist on any Rafale except ours.
A new jammer array requires deep integration with Spectra to ensure it doesn't interfere with other operations. That's an example of a major change to the EW suite.
I can't either if you think the substrate generates its own power.
Either way, it would require us to order more.
That's why you need the AEW input. It tells your other assets where to look, way before any fighter can. Even if the fighter were flying 200 km ahead of the AEW.
And no, fighter FCR can't generate a firing solution at 300 km against fighter-sized targets. That's hogwash. What you can do is to use the AEW's low-resolution tracks & the FCRs' detection range (among however many other assets are available to paint that target) to create a generalized idea as to where the Meteor needs to go. After that it's up to the missile's own seeker to find it once its in that vicinity - unless we can give it better & better info through the datalink.
Meteor cannot function independently outside this networked battlespace. If all it has to rely on is its own launch platform's FCR, its Ph/Pk is gonna be sorry as hell. UNLESS, you significantly reduce the engagement envelope to ranges within which an FCR can manage fire control, that means around 100-150 km max for a respectable Ph/Pk.
At that point, the Meteor becomes a less enticing option to use compared to a MICA which can do 80% of that job for way lesser cost.
I can't argue with something this dense.
Four FCRs won't be seeing anything any one of them couldn't (other than increasing FoV & no. of targets tracked, but AEW is far better for that anyway). Unless you ask one of them to fly a suicide mission ahead of the rest, with radar on full blast & flying outside the cover of friendly EW assets, and use his inputs to fire your Meteors from way back.
Needless to say, we don't follow such insane tactics. And we don't have the assets (CCAs) yet to do something like that in a survivable manner.
Cooperative tactics sans AEW support is not how 4.5 gens are supposed to function.
If our Rafale is unable to make use of inputs from Netra or Phalcon (whatever the reason may be), then that still means we aren't in a position yet to make full use of the Meteor's capability.
Seems like they forgot that they can plug 4 Rafales together and generate way more data than the GlobalEye can.
That's not surprising. Virupaksha will be GaN-based. That means it would be more efficient than the decades-old GaAs APG-77.
In comparison, the difference between RBE-2AA & APG-81 is minor. Mostly a result of incremental improvements in TRM design over the years, than the result of inclusion of some revolutionary underlying tech.
A lot of what the RBE-2XG will be expected to do would actually have been based on what the development goals of APG-85 were.
What is that expectation based on? Because you are suggesting that the Chinese are 4-5 years ahead of the Americans, and ~10 years ahead of the French in this department.
They're introducing it when it's ready.
If the APG-85 is ready in time (and is authorized for export), then obviously that's what we'll buy.
I'm talking about the gap between RBE-2AA and APG-81.
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Pakistan to hike defense spending in FY26 budget to counter India’s ‘hegemonistic designs’ — minister
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In response to a question about media reports China was fast-tracking delivery of its advanced J-35A fifth-generation stealth fighters to Pakistan, with the first batch expected by early 2026, planning minister Ahsan said:
“Pakistan’s fighter jets have already done well against India and the country will do anything it can to make it’s defenses stronger.”
The finance ministry declined to comment on a planned hike in defense spending but an official privy to budget talks within the government and with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said:
“We are discussing all the issues including Pakistan’s revenues and defense with the IMF but nothing has been finalized yet.”
An IMF official said the lender did not comment on any country’s defense budget.
An IMF mission led by Nathan Porter visited Pakistan last week to discuss the country’s new fiscal plan but returned without reaching an agreement.
“We will continue discussions toward agreeing over the authorities’ FY26 budget over the coming days,” the Washington-based lender said in a statement on May 24.
The media wing of the Pakistan army declined to comment on the issue immediately.
Certain OSINT sources are saying the details for strikes will come out much later as op is still ongoing.
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