Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

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A few points from Sekhar about the SU-30's importance in this current conflict and about winning and losing war narratives regarding fighter plane loss similar to 1971.

 
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History will not kind towards nda government for declaring ceasefire
History will not kind towards nda government for declaring ceasefire

It only means that their nuclear bluff has been exposed. And this is why suddenly these reports started coming. Because the Kirana hills was indeed a truth and the nuclear command in Nur Khan Base is also a truth. Possibly it has been damaged to the point of no repair.
 
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My Question Below ; Please Answer 🙏

I was just Thinking that After How many DAYS are the Fighter Pilots allowed to Tell their Families that they were part of the Strike Packages from 6th May to 10 th May

Is there some Rule for or against such disclosures
 
Article by Tom Cooper (link below):


Q: I saw the interview with Times TV. Not a single mention of the Rafale downing. Why not? Is this major incident not important in the context of the war. Or was it edited out by Indians terrible media channels?

I’ve explained this in regards of the ‘public narrative’ at the start of this feature. Let me add an even more important aspect.

I find it is impossible to emphasise strongly enough – especially for those still insistent on ‘but Pakistan shot down 5, 15, 50 Indian jets: Pakistan won’ – that in the case of this war, no matter how short and intensive or not, one must keep in mind: one nuclear power (named India) disabled the nuclear deterrent of another nuclear power (named Pakistan). If you like, name them San Marino and Brunei, or switch names, if it’s going to make you feel better. But, this is a matter of fact.
 
Article by Tom Cooper (link below):


Q: I saw the interview with Times TV. Not a single mention of the Rafale downing. Why not? Is this major incident not important in the context of the war. Or was it edited out by Indians terrible media channels?

I’ve explained this in regards of the ‘public narrative’ at the start of this feature. Let me add an even more important aspect.

I find it is impossible to emphasise strongly enough – especially for those still insistent on ‘but Pakistan shot down 5, 15, 50 Indian jets: Pakistan won’ – that in the case of this war, no matter how short and intensive or not, one must keep in mind: one nuclear power (named India) disabled the nuclear deterrent of another nuclear power (named Pakistan). If you like, name them San Marino and Brunei, or switch names, if it’s going to make you feel better. But, this is a matter of fact.
The closest equivalent of this situation is if the Japanese or British go into North Korean territory bomb their airbases and bomb their nuclear facilities and basically come out unscathed.
 
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Nur Khan AFB, entire building gone now.

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HQ-9 visible. Looks like Chinese ADS are indeed trash. Just a few missiles penetrated the AD net like it didnt even exist.
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Geolocated here: 33°37'03.6"N 73°05'28.8"E
The distance between missile impact points & the HQ-9 setup is just 1 to 1.5 kms.
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Meanwhile, Pakistanis were saying these will be repaired in a week. It now looks like, it will take them more than a month to simply repair 1 crater at Rahim Yar Khan. Just 4 days of fighting resulted in month-long disabling of runway. What would've happened if there was no ceasefire???🤭

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The closest equivalent of this situation is if the Japanese or British go into North Korean territory bomb their airbases and bomb their nuclear facilities and basically come out unscathed.
Everything in north Korea except nuke is a joke. I will tell its similar to a hypothetical scenario of Russia attacking uk or French nuke facilities.
 
People like @Rajput Lion won't get this, Fatah passes through s400 defense but destroyed by Akash. Its a different ball of game than engaging a slow moving awacs.
I would not engage Fateh with S400. Akash system would be ideal and economical for a safe interception. Not all hostile aerial threats need to be taken out using S400. Shaheen is a would be candidate for S400.
 
We don't know the interceptor was Akash or the thing getting intercepted is Fatah missile in first place & why do you want to use S 400 if Akash is enough to do the job.
Its a BM, the earlier u destroy it better it is. S400 do have coverage & missile to engage Fatah prior.
You argument is like insisting a ship to wait till a ciws like A630 engage a missile when it has to be neutralised with Barak 8.
 
Nur Khan AFB, entire building gone now.

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HQ-9 visible. Looks like Chinese ADS are indeed trash. Just a few missiles penetrated the AD net like it didnt even exist.
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Link:
Geolocated here: 33°37'03.6"N 73°05'28.8"E
The distance between missile impact points & the HQ-9 setup is just 1 to 1.5 kms.
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Meanwhile, Pakistanis were saying these will be repaired in a week. It now looks like, it will take them more than a month to simply repair 1 crater at Rahim Yar Khan. Just 4 days of fighting resulted in month-long disabling of runway. What would've happened if there was no ceasefire???🤭

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Don't wanna sound dumb, but given the location of the AD assets you can virtually do a SEAD/DEAD operation using Raaa agents (unknown gunmen) with just a few rounds of RPG or even small arms fire. Or an FPV drone too.
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We've added stuff that nobody else has - and which requires deep integration with Spectra. Like the new rear jammer.



Adding GaN doesn't magically make your radar more powerful - it makes it marginally more efficient. Unless you have next-gen engines to juice it with. Been over this before with you. The max growth potential for generating electricity from 4th gen engines is like the starting point for a 5th gen motor. Unless you want to argue that the French have unobtanium generators that are eons ahead of what the Americans have.

Basically, the only way Rafale can really compete with a 5th gen platform is if it gets re-engined with the motor they're developing for SCAF.

Very unlikely for the Chinese to be significantly ahead in avionics. Again for largely the same reasons. They can't really power an avionics suite that's significantly more powerful.

They needed to put 3 engines on the J-36, a plane that would've only needed 2 if it had Western engine tech.



If AMCA fails, then it isn't stop-gap anymore.



That doesn't explain why F-47 needs a 2,000-km unrefueled combat radius.

The PLARF is an extremely important part of the Chinese OrBat. They have the industrial base & scale which can make missiles considerably cheaper to use & replenish than anyone can imagine.

Been over this before as well in the Taiwan thread.



Meteor is not your average BVRAAM.

The current crop of Ramjet-powered extreme long range AAMs wouldn't be a thing if making use of inputs from offboard assets wasn't an option.



You cannot take the tactics of a VLO platform & apply it to Rafale. The F-35 & F-22 can rely on cooperative tactics cuz they were meant to penetrate enemy airspace 100s of kilometers without being detected. That's why they also need stealthy datalinks like MADL.

There's a reason the Rafale only uses Link-16 (or in our case, whichever we use) which is omnidirectional transmission. It cannot do cooperative tactics inside enemy airspace and expect not to be seen. Not to mention, it's not a VLO jet to begin with.

That's why France wants to continue buying AEWs.


Maybe you should educate them that as they plan on moving to a Rafale-only fighter fleet within a decade, they no longer need an AEW for long-range tracks.



The only way to see a certain target at a certain range is to have a certain number of TRMs outputting a beam of a certain power. The number of TRMs required can vary based on how powerful each of them is & how efficiently they are cooled. But as long as you are operating in the same frequency range (and your signal processing isn't made of unobtanium), the amount of power you need to get a good return doesn't change.

So the reason RBE doesn't have cooling issues is because it doesn't try to do what the APG-81 does.

Not to mention the F-35 doesn't use active radar all that much except in LPI bursts. Which means the cooling issues actually have more to do with supporting the Electronic Attack functions rather than just radar/fire control functions. Rafale doesn't rely on the radar as a primary EA component, so no wonder it doesn't need much cooling.



The RBE-2's AESA array came into being several years after the APG-81. It's not surprising that they packed smaller TRMs.

We've seen ourselves how much the TRM count on our Uttam increased within a few years of development. That's not a big deal, TRMs get smaller all the time, it depends on when you made the call to freeze your design:

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What really matters when it comes to being advanced is how much power each TRM is capable of outputting. This is where substrates come into play (GaAs, GaN). F-35 plans to get its GaN radar (APG-85) this year (Lot 17 onwards will have it) whereas RBE-2XG is expected to come online 5 years from now.

So I don't see how they're supposed to be more advanced. They're just doing things much later, taking advantage of newer techs. But then in the next step, the Americans steal a lead again (by going 6G about a decade before France does).

It's a frame of reference thing. Do you want to buy a Core i9 made on a 7nm process node today or a Core i5 made on a 5nm node a few years from now? The 5nm 10-core i5 is technically more advanced, but the 7nm 24-core i9 is still more capable.

It's not like the French (or the Chinese) will obtain new technologies (GaN-on-Diamond or anything else) while the rest of the world stays the same.
Parthu sir how capable is our Uttam GaN AESA radar for Tejas Mk2 compared to Rafale RBE and KJL7 on J10C?? I've heard GaN Uttam entered into lsp recently.
 
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I would not engage Fateh with S400. Akash system would be ideal and economical for a safe interception. Not all hostile aerial threats need to be taken out using S400. Shaheen is a would be candidate for S400.
Yeas, not all. But Fateh isn't an ordinary threat, they travell all the way near to Delhi.
 
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